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Protestants were anti-hierarchical which is closer to Communism. They also stated “all men are created equal”-—which is definitely NOT true. “Democracy” is the step toward Socialism which is what Tocqueville noted just 20 years after this country was founded-—said it was a matter of time before the collapse into socialism (which was true).

Order-—like in corporations and the family unit—demand hierarchy to work efficiently. Catholics knew this. Protestants set up socialistic colonies at first-—they learned—yes—but they were always more likely to fall for Communist calls for “equality” where they eject Natural Laws-—Catholics can’t.

Catholics were seeped in subsidiarity—it is in their Canon Law. It is incompatible with “collectives” and dissolving the family unity and not denying anyone—even the unborn-— individual dignity and worth. Contraception became ok for Protestants in 1930. They gave in to the godless atheists noted by Pastor Bonhoeffer while visiting churches in America in 1931—”Religionless”.

Catholics didn’t give up until decades later—although they were infiltrated and “social Justice” Marxists got in the hierarchy as Bella Dodd stated.

Their ideas were stated clearly and they had a far better system of education for elementary grades, which they did a really good job with—to increase and grow their numbers and influence——until the 60’s-—when they were infiltrated.

The wealth and power of the Catholic Church was far greater than any Protestant “group”. I am not saying America wasn’t powerful-—but it wasn’t until 1917 that the Communists got organized and by that time Catholics were starting to surge and became the dominate majority by 1960, so they could even elect JFK. Catholic families were much larger than Protestant ones and most later immigrants to this country were Catholic .

It was the Catholic vote that killed us in this last election-—because our Bishops and Cardinals-—have been corrupted and don’t teach Truth and the Catholic Canon anymore. (They went the way of our Public Schools and too many Protestants.) True-—since the 70’s the Evangelicals have been at the forefront—but only because the Catholic Church was being taken down from within by the Homomafia as Fr. Oko has written. 75% of Catholics left the faith after Vatican II and the scandals.

savagesusie, Free Republic 63 Comments [3/7/2013 4:36:53 AM]
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I guess susie isn't a catholic then. If she is - she fails miserably.

3/7/2013 5:11:57 AM


You're an American and you hate democracy?! Wow...if you hate equality and democracy so much, why don't you just go to Iran? You'll be at the bottom of the food chain, but at least there's a food chain :p

3/7/2013 5:27:25 AM


I see Susie still won't get out and get some fresh air.

3/7/2013 5:32:20 AM

Doubting Thomas

Catholics didn’t give up until decades later

If you're still talking about contraception, it is still against church doctrine. The official word is that using contraception or having medical sterilization is a mortal sin. The church wasn't "infiltrated," it's just that most Catholics don't agree with this and use birth control because they don't want to have 10 kids.

75% of Catholics left the faith after Vatican II and the scandals.

Gee, I don't know why a few priests molesting children would make anyone want to leave the church...

3/7/2013 5:36:33 AM


Catholic Church was being taken down from within by the Homomafia

No, they seem to have been taken over by the pedophiles and their protectors.

3/7/2013 5:56:44 AM


Nurse! Savagesusie's on the computer again!

3/7/2013 6:06:21 AM

Shai Hulud

Followers of Jesus early on didn't live in essentially communist communes, no sir. All men are not equal in gods eyes either.

As far as capitalism goes, I thought Protestants were instrumental in that.

3/7/2013 6:09:31 AM


Tocqueville said the greatest danger for a democracy was obsession with equality. It said nothing about socialism, due to the simple fact socialism would not be a topic for at least 70 years after the foundation of the USA.

Did not do the research. Again.

3/7/2013 6:17:48 AM

Filin De Blanc

"All men are created equal" is from the Declaration of Independence! I thought you crazies loved the Founding Fathers!

3/7/2013 6:21:32 AM

rubber chicken

If 75% of Catholics have left the faith, where the fuck did the 'Catholic vote that killed us in this last election' come from ?

3/7/2013 6:25:33 AM


Someone needs to shoot her in the cunt and throw her on a garbage heap.

3/7/2013 6:39:51 AM


Batshit fucking insane

3/7/2013 6:47:01 AM


Well, I could just say, "Oh, her", again, but as someone with a fair number of Catholics in my family tree, a fair number of Catholic friends in my youth, and a good number of Catholic colleagues in some very progressive endeavors, I say this is not a description of Catholic ethic, but only of our late pope Ratzinger.

3/7/2013 7:01:39 AM

Mister Spak

So both the real religion and the false religion have been taken over by Satan?

Sucks to be you.

@Doubting Thomas:

"75% of Catholics left the faith after Vatican II and the scandals.

Gee, I don't know why a few priests molesting children would make anyone want to leave the church... "

This is not about child molesting, it's about Vatican II trying to bring the religion from 1660 to 1960, and the fundies going batshit in response. The "scandal" was not living in 1660 anymore.

3/7/2013 7:10:55 AM


If the whole Oliver Cromwell incident taught us anything, it was that the Protestants wanted to be the hierarchy. Of course, no one can teach SewageSusie anything.


3/7/2013 7:12:28 AM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

Susie needs to take St. Paul's advice and just STFU already.

3/7/2013 7:29:51 AM


They also stated “all men are created equal”-—which is definitely NOT true.

Maybe not, but our laws should still strive to treat people as equal as is feasible. Obviously you can't expect a man born without arms to be accepted as a military sniper but within reason people should be treated equally.

“Democracy” is the step toward Socialism

And walking out of my house is a step toward walking into a secret military base. However, most reasonable people know that taking a step toward a certain direction doesn't mean you're automatically going to keep walking in that direction or keep walking, period. Maybe we're happy just staying at the park that is Democracy and while we'll walk around a bit and explore the pond, the basketball court, and the playground we aren't going to start walking into the deep woods just because that's the direction we happen to be going in.

3/7/2013 7:50:09 AM

Hasan Prishtina

Protestants were anti-hierarchical which is closer to Communism.

Don't know much about Lutherans, Episcopalians/Anglicans or (in the US) Methodists, then.

Tocqueville noted just 20 years after this country was founded

The US was founded in 1811?

Contraception became ok for Protestants in 1930.

That was the Lambeth Conference of the Anglican Communion. You know, the one with all the bishops and archbishops you said is anti-hierarchy. And the conference took place in England. Otherwise, that leaves a few thousand other Protestant denominations.

It was the Catholic vote that killed us in this last election

Well, the figures suggest that Catholics voted the same way as the electorate as a whole and that isn't much different from usual.

It sounds like savagesusie is an ultra-traditionalist Catholic.

3/7/2013 7:53:49 AM


"They also stated “all men are created equal”-—which is definitely NOT true. “Democracy” is the step toward Socialism"
I have an Avatar for you:

3/7/2013 8:00:50 AM


You know, Susie, "created equal" doesn't refer to intelligence or other qualities, it refers to persons having equal rights to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

3/7/2013 8:02:55 AM


Susie, if all men are Not created equal, then you are a far lesser being than I am. Therefore I have not the slightest qualm about telling you to STFU. But beyond this, you provide the justification for monarchy, aristocracy and the oppression of those who are not born into such castes. In fact, this posting is probably the most anti-American one I have ever seen on this board.

3/7/2013 8:16:44 AM

Often Partisan

Susie's never heard of the 'Protestant Ethic'? Sure as hell weren't Communist...

3/7/2013 9:06:44 AM

J. James

Everything is socialism! Oh no! ... Except, what's so bad about a little socialism? Isn't that kind of the point of a mixed economy, which we have been for the last century or so? Good ol' red-blooded American capitalism and free enterprise as we know it has always been tempered, molded and flourished under a tidbit of "Socialism" to keep order, protect consumers, and prosecute shady business practices and monopolies.

P.S.- UHM, what the hell is that thing?

3/7/2013 9:30:21 AM

"75% of Catholics left the faith after Vatican II and the scandals."

So, what you're saying is that in 1961 there were ~4 billion Catholics in the world?

Impressive since there were just over 3 billion people alive at the time....

3/7/2013 10:00:49 AM


@J. James: That's the fasces, which was carried by...{scowls as he tries to remember the exact office} the censors of Republican Rome as the symbol of their authority. The symbol was later adopted by Mussolini to illustrate the power he saw as inherent in fascism.

@Several others: I doubt Savagesusie loves America (or at least, her idea of Original America) for democracy, but because it's Chosen by God in some fashion. With authoritarians, democracy and its ilk can never be their own purpose. Only glory is meaningful. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if such ones see America's Holy Insight as being not the worth of a republic government, but the worth of the free market, seeing how the impetus of the Revolution was in a sense breaking free of England-centric mercantilism.

3/7/2013 10:35:47 AM
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