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Fox Business personalities had a collective freak out on Wednesday night after learning that mothers were now the primary source of income in 40 percent of U.S. households.

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Fox News contributor Erick Erickson went one step further, saying nature itself commanded that women be subservient to men.

“I’m so used to liberals telling conservatives that they’re anti-science,” Erickson explained. “But liberals who defend this and say it is not a bad thing are very anti-science. When you look at biology, when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role. The female, it’s not antithesis, or it’s not competing, it’s a complimentary role.”

“We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complimentary relationships in nuclear families, and it is tearing us apart,” he continued, adding that “reality showed” it was harmful for women to be the primary source of income in a family.

Erick Erickson, The Raw Story 69 Comments [6/2/2013 8:45:56 AM]
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Ebon

*sigh*
1) There is a difference between animals and humans (although not much of one in Erickson's case).
2) Just because it happens in nature doesn't make it a good thing. Incest and infanticide are common in nature too. So is homosexuality which you doubtless disapprove of.
3) You just insulted 40% of the population. Are your ratings really so good that you can afford to insult four in ten Americans? In this economy where people are desperate for any job they can get?
4) Actual psychological research shows that most of the childrearing functions can be performed equally well by either parent or, indeed, by foster or adoptive parents (with little recognition and less thanks).
5) The sexism doesn't become less obvious just because you pretend to be concerned about the kids.
6) If you don't like it, support higher minimum wage laws.

6/2/2013 8:57:57 AM

Boromir

Harmful to your idea of society, possibly.

6/2/2013 9:06:12 AM

KittyKaboom

...“reality showed” it was harmful for women to be the primary source of income in a family.

Citation seriously fucking needed. Reality shows no such thing and I challenge you to find a study that proves this without digging into the vault of some fundy organization. You know, something based on facts and science.

Growing up, if my mom didn't work she and my dad wouldn't have been able to provide all those nutty things by brother and I liked to have: food, clothing, a protective structure. This wasn't about fancy vacations, big appliances and new-model cars (my dad drove a Dodge Dart for many years, just like Al Bundy), this was about basic survival. The same reason why I worked both during my first marriage and after the divorce. My son expected to be cared for and as my child he had every right to expect me to take care of him. Think he was going to be fed, housed, warmed, clothed and have all of his needs provided by the $300 per month child support I was getting for him alone?

Dipshits. Women don't just work because they want to (though if that's a woman's only reason for working, it's good enough). Two income families are the norm.

Personally, I can't wait for my children to get a little older so I can work again.

6/2/2013 9:07:33 AM

J. James

Fox News shoots itself in the foot again with the War on Women. Anything else new?

6/2/2013 9:20:27 AM

freako104

Harmful how exactly? And if you don't have citation,then I call bullshit. Your reality does not seem to have any contact with reality itself

6/2/2013 9:33:04 AM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

Seahorses get the male of their species pregnant. Your argument is invalid.

6/2/2013 9:34:02 AM

Fang

Sexists Say The Darndest Things, please?

Actually what disturbs me about EE's posts, if you read his responses, is his weird language that reminds me of the MRAs parodied over at Manboobz.com. His talk of beta males, etc. is rather disturbing.

6/2/2013 9:34:07 AM

Nomen Nescio

looking at biology, male dominance isn't even nearly universal. large parts of the animal kingdom lack it, substituting female dominance or no long-term pair bonding / family structure at all. rearing young in some sort of "family" is probably the rare exception, in fact; consider all the beetles, after all.

trying to hyperfocus only on the parts of the natural world that display the traits you want human society to emulate is pointless, unless you're trying to say those are the parts "most like us", in which case BONOBOS. besides, "most like" still implies "somehow different", in which case explain why behavior and family structure can't be one of those differences for us.

6/2/2013 9:50:54 AM

LDM

"Fox News contributor Erick Erickson went one step further, saying nature itself commanded that women be subservient to men."

Queen bees. Checkmate.

6/2/2013 9:53:13 AM

Hasan Prishtina

How many of that 40% of mothers are providing for their children alone because of deadbeat, good ol' boy Republican dads?

6/2/2013 10:12:52 AM

Giardano Bruno

Look up hyenas.

6/2/2013 10:46:46 AM

breakerslion

Guess who does the majority of the hunting in a Pride of lions?

What was that name again? Airhead Airheadson?

6/2/2013 11:05:48 AM

His4Life

What about single women?

6/2/2013 11:26:40 AM

OhJohnNo

Saw this pop up some time ago. One of their coworkers got pissed.

(note: URL now fixed!)

6/2/2013 11:33:18 AM

gravematter

Constantly obsessing with the natural world and "natural law". But they're always wrong. Saying homosexuality is "unnatural". No. And now saying males are the dominant sex in nature. No.
Often females are, often there is no dominant sex. And even if none of this was true, the relevance to humans, who they see as non-animals, and special, the pinnacle of life in god's masterplan, is mystifying. If we're special, if we're different, then what difference does it make what "mere animals" do? Apparently, we humans are transcendent. So how can you then decide that everything we humans do has to be foreshadowed by animal behaviour?

6/2/2013 11:35:26 AM

MadmanJohnson

Reality shows that Fox News is evil.

6/2/2013 11:36:10 AM

emau99

“...When you look at biology, when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role. The female, it’s not antithesis, or it’s not competing, it’s a complimentary role.”

Naturalistic fallacy. You lose.

6/2/2013 11:46:38 AM

Thrutch

Elephants, seahorses, anglerfish, spiders, hyaenas. Try convincing yourself that these species have "dominant" males.

there is even research that suggests females are more usually dominant in primates http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/news/2003/11/1125_031125_primateevolution.html

6/2/2013 11:48:12 AM

Liberal Christian

Erik is a moron. This isn't about gender roles, it's about men either not stepping up to the plate or being unable to find work, or possibly CHOOSING to be stay-at-home dads. Ever think of that?

6/2/2013 12:46:59 PM

Old Viking

Complementary, not complimentary. And I would love to have a woman support me in the manner to which I'd like to be accustomed.

6/2/2013 12:52:59 PM

Blarghonius

So you are trying to use nature to define what economics should be. Are you going to use mathematics to determine what color shirt you should wear today, too?

6/2/2013 1:06:44 PM

farpadokly

That is called the naturalistic fallacy.
And people who claim that the know their own person prejudice represents "reality" are suffering from a thing called "ideology".

6/2/2013 1:54:21 PM

Arctic Knight

"when you look at the natural world, the roles of a male and a female in society and in other animals, the male typically is the dominant role."

Lions - The lioness is the primary hunter while the male lion lays around all day, then eats from the bounty the lioness bring home.

Penguins - The male penguin hatches the eggs while the female goes in search of food.

Seahorses - The make carries and hatches the eggs while the female runs off to do her own thing.

Your claim is debunked.

6/2/2013 1:57:14 PM

Matante

In most mammalian species, the female gets to choose their mate, so the males have to compete harder and sexual selection is harsher on them.
And while in mammals, this translated in greater size and strength, take a look at birds! Our species could as well have evolved to give you a peacock tail and gay colours instead of bigger arms!

I think you'll have to define "dominant" before you slap it on some critter in hope it reflects back on you.

6/2/2013 2:23:07 PM

Detrs

Yet conservative advocate policies which necessitate this very thing.

6/2/2013 2:30:49 PM
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