We all know how government welfare makes people dependent and lazy and decreases their incentive to work. This should clearly be done away with. What about private charity, though?
It's true that this form of "helping" those with low or no productivity doesn't directly cost the tax-payer anything and thus removes maybe the most disgusting aspect of the current system: redistribution of wealth from hard-working people to lazy bums. However, it still reduces the incentive to work and is thus harmful.
Some may point out that some people are simply incapable of working. To this I answer: we should let natural selection take its place. Starvation is apparently a quite uncomfortable way to perish, so as an act of kindness those who can't support themselves should be euthanized humanely, with the most cost-effective method of course, we don't want wasteful government spending. This would encourage people to save for old age or disability and thus increase capital accumulation.
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I've known a couple of people who had no choice but to go on welfare a couple times in their lives. Both told similar stories-the hoops they had to jump through, the judging looks they got when they took out their food stamps to pay for groceries, how the payments barely covered anything, and just the general worthlessness and humiliation they felt all the time. Anyone who thinks being on welfare is a picnic should try it sometime.
btw-both got back on their feet after a while, and even had decent careers and remarried to great guys. One was my fifth grade social studies teacher, and the other was a coworker of mine who later paid back society by becoming a foster parent.
As to "private charity", most of those are much more wasteful, very little eventually trickles down to those who need it, there's often just as much corruption and bureaucracy in those organizations. Plus, I'd starve to death before I accepted help from some patronizing christian.
Should Anza fall on hard times, either they'll learn their error or be a stinkin' hypocrite.
Likely, they take the later, slimeball route, but I hope someone calls them out on it!
Some may point out that some people are simply incapable of working. To this I answer: we should let natural selection take its place.
Unfortunately I think this is the platform of the Republican Party.
Must be a Poe. It also wrote this:
To be specific the problem is not that oxygen is used, there's so much of it that this isn't a problem. The problem is the creation of carbondioxide. The plants of course do the opposite, but we are off balance right now. The average person creates 900 grams of CO2 per day. Let's take that times 30*365 and we have 9855 kgs of CO2. Steel production creates ca. 1,8 tonnes of CO2 per tonne of steel produced so we could produce an extra 5,5 tonnes of steel carbon-neutrally just from tha air breathed by the eliminated person.
"Some may point out that some people are simply incapable of working. To this I answer: we should let natural selection take its place. Starvation is apparently a quite uncomfortable way to perish, so as an act of kindness those who can't support themselves should be euthanized humanely, with the most cost-effective method of course, we don't want wasteful government spending."
Belief in evolution and advocacy of euthanesia? Is this really a fundy, or has he crossed the line into crazy?
But natural selection caused (most of) us humans* to be social animals and to look after those of our various “tribes” that cannot look after themselves. That is one of the most important factors that lead to Homo Sapiens being the dominant species on this planet. If we would all be sociopaths that look only after themselves, we would never gotten that far.
* I am including Anza into this category simply on biological grounds, not on ethical ones.
I can't even address this monster's idea of murdering handicapped people, but I will address the "lazy welfare" recipients.
When I was in my mid 20s, I was married with two children. I had to use welfare/food stamps to support my family, and this is while I was working my ass off as an active duty member of the U.S. military.
In fact, a recent study (I wish I could find it again, I read it a few months ago) shows that the vast majority of welfare recipients are currently working while using welfare. The simply have jobs that do not pay enough to give them what they need to support their families.
Anza, go fuck yourself.
A Modest Proposal called, it says you're infringing on its copyright.
The current system redistributes much, much more of the wealth from hard-working people to filthy rich lazy bums. That's where most of the government welfare goes.
Government welfare (at least in my country) is paid for by the people, and help those people to survive while they look for a new job, or while they are getting well from an illness or accident. Knowing that you will indeed survive, makes it easier to gather energy for the job-interviews or for getting well. I have been out of work periodically and it is BORING. I wanted so much to have a social life again, to have colleagues, to earn money for more than just the absolute necessities of life.
So, should we let people who now live on inherited money starve until they start working hard for their money? Why not? You're the one talking about incentives to work.
"``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population"
And we all know what happened to Scrooge.
You know, I just about hit submit on a nast response to this, but...Poe. Actually, not a Poe, just dripping with sarcasm.
Anza, are you relly an human being?
Given this declaration, I feel you need a rope.
Another internet Social Darwinist.
I've always wondered why it is OK for people to be "dependent" on bosses for work, but evil for them to be "dependent" on welfare. Either way, they're still dependent. In fact, we are all "dependent" on one another, in that we are inter-dependent.
The idea that wealth is a reward for expended effort is one of the biggest myths of our system, and the one that seems the hardest to die. Wealth is just simply the result of what one is able to command, often through exploitation of other people's work, or through deceit or trickery of some kind. The word "productivity" is also a strange one in this context, since our system doesn't reward "productivity" per se, but only production of that which is profitable. One can be productive of things which are socially valuable, yet unprofitable. It may be the case, and it probably is, that a CEO of a company may be in every way "lazier" than a homeless man sleeping in the street.
"the most cost-effective method" of euthanization. Well, it's obvious, isn't it? The cheapest and most efficient way of dealing with these disabled people is to load them onto cattle trucks, take them to centres of detention and put them in gas chambers.
As an INTJ (apparently, I don't place much clout in pop psychology such as the Meyers Briggs), allow me to say private charity does jack shit. Yes the intentions are good, but for the most part its too little, too late, with too little expertise.
In order to give true large scale equality, welfare is necessary to uphold the basic standards of living for the destitute. There are simply not enough private charities to offset cutting of said welfare. Its greedy assholes like Anza that probably feel pretty good about stuffing a fiver down a salvation army bucket once a year. Well slow clap for you jackass, hate to break it to you, but that's a fucking drop in the ocean. Do you have any idea the disparity between the rich and poor or even the poor with the middle class? That nice lunch you're eating, guess what the poor can't afford something 1/4 as nice as that without help, that's why they're called the poor.
So boo hoo all you want about the rich being oppressed, sorry you can't use that tax money for a second new car this year. Its only paying for our nation's infrastructure and food stamps. I'm sure you can think of much more important things you can do with that money. Fuck you.
Yes the intentions are good, but for the most part its too little, too late, with too little expertise.
@NotaReptile: and in the minds of a lot of modern-day American conservatives, these aren't bugs, they're features. They're signs the system is working just as intended.
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