Home Archives Random Quotes Latest Comments Top 100 Submit Quote Search Log In

Quote# 97407

Public schools did fine before there was atheistic exclusion of Christianity from them. Public schools have far more money now than before, and yet have far lower quality now.

["Andy that's not a valid argument; it's a correlation-causation fallacy. Again, if Christianity is the root of success in public schools - why is Japan at the top of the list, where a hugely significant majority of the population defines themselves as non-religious?"]

Correlation is often due to causation, and the exclusion of Christianity was clearly a cause of the subsequent decline in values, motivation, safety, and achievement of public schools. It is equally clear that many atheists are the driving force in expelling all things Christian from public schools to this day.

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia 49 Comments [10/31/2013 2:31:15 AM]
Fundie Index: 30
Submitted By: Night Jaguar
WTF?! || meh
Username:
Comment:



1 2
Kuno

Ah, good old Schlafly madness. Will he ever change?

Correlation is often due to causation, and the exclusion of Christianity was clearly a cause of the subsequent decline in values, motivation, safety, and achievement of public schools. It is equally clear that many atheists are the driving force in expelling all things Christian from public schools to this day.

OK, so repeated your original statement, fine. Now how about actually answering the question?

10/31/2013 2:41:32 AM

aebars

Hey Assfly, how about answering the guy's question? Why are Japan's schools the best if Christianity makes schools good whereas most people in Japan are atheists?

10/31/2013 2:41:32 AM

Night Jaguar

"it's a correlation-causation fallacy"
"Correlation is often due to causation"

That deserves a quadruple facepalm....


10/31/2013 2:48:16 AM

anevilmeme

If that were true students in Euope would be doing worse, but they're doing much better.

10/31/2013 2:51:00 AM

Sangfroid

The problem with your statement, Andy, is there still lots of us who lived through those days. We prayed, then over lunch we had a small race riot. Or maybe a religious riot. Or someone marked up the teacher's car with a key. Hell, I remember one gym teacher getting beaten up by a student!

Andy, you're living in a dream world.

10/31/2013 3:13:23 AM

Prager

That's one hell of a brain filter Andy is using!

10/31/2013 3:29:14 AM

Mudak

I can think of one clear causation/correlation argument about declining standards in American public schools: science literacy falls every time someone tries to push creationism and/or sow doubt in evolution.

Now do we want to talk about overcrowded schools and how, adjusted for inflation, we're spending less per student than we did 50 years ago?

10/31/2013 3:59:35 AM

Hasan Prishtina

If you want to argue your case, Andy, try introducing some evidence to back your claim. And Andy, never mind Japan, let's stick to the United States: why has Vermont where, according to the American Religious Identification Survey, 34% of people are irreligious got a consistently better education system than Mississippi where only 4% are non-believers?

10/31/2013 4:12:08 AM

Pule Thamex

Since we all know that it is OK for people to lie in defense of their odd beliefs, then we can safely treat the things Schlafly says as waffle. Of course, since there is no such thing as Bible God, we can safely downgrade Schlafly's waffle to deliberate lies of no merit whatsoever. It's possible that his lies are born of delusion, but they are still lies.

10/31/2013 4:43:44 AM



Last I checked, you can still pray in school, read your buybull in school, and even conduct prayer meetings over lunch or after school. So how, exactly, is your religion "excluded" from school again?

10/31/2013 5:08:16 AM

Doubting Thomas

So, you're just going to ignore the question about Japanese schools and repeat your correlation-causation fallacy?

10/31/2013 5:16:03 AM



That's Andy: moving the goalposts to avoid answering the question.

Hey, Andy! Answer the bloody question!

10/31/2013 5:19:01 AM



Is that it for today? One lame assfly?

Dull-o.

10/31/2013 5:43:55 AM

Canadiest

You'll notice, if you're paying attention Schlafy, that the downward results in American education didn't really manifest until the 80s. So this relates to the removal of prayer in 62, how?

He's smokescreening both the defunding of school by Republicans (Gods party) and the solid fact that the Bible Belt has the lowest ratings in education. Highest in illiteracy, crime and teenage pregnancy though. Now since the Bible-Belt is called such because almost everyone is religious and larger numbers attend church, elect "Godly" officials from the Republican side and STILL institute prauer into EVERY FUCKING EVENT you can name,,,,maybe there's a more apt conclusion one can come to.

But he, Fisher, Beck, Barton, FoxNews, Limbaugh, Republicans all know this: Hence the strawman that education is failing because of a constitutional law was finally enforced in matbe half the country over FIFTY years ago.

10/31/2013 5:48:53 AM

Xotan

"Public schools did fine before there was atheistic exclusion of Christianity from them."


Public schools did fine before there was a constitutional exclusion of Christianity from them. FIXED

Re correlation/causation argument, the Japanese situation makes nonsense out of this.

Besides. isn't the home the place where religion should in inculcated? The school is hardly the place for it. If people want so badly to pray, they can do it during breaks, but as a private matter. Moreover, praying won't improve the academic work. And from the clips we see on the likes of youtube, Americans do no shine when it comes to simple general knowledge questions. I suggest that a lack of respect, discipline, proper scholarly attitude and proper teaching methods are likely underlying faults. A lack of awareness of this will ultimately lead to the decline of America.

10/31/2013 5:52:08 AM

Canadiest

"It is equally clear that many atheists are the driving force in expelling all things Christian from public schools to this day."

Well, der, that and a little thing called the Constitution. And that's not even fully true.

The history of Christianity has long been suppressed, by Christians. Completely whitewashed in European and American history, all atrocities and agendas removed and a bullshitted rewrite inserted.



10/31/2013 6:10:42 AM

UHM

Andy's stock answer to everything: "Lalala! I can't hear you!"

@Kuno: Andy generally doesn't need to argue anything, it pretty much always goes like this:
1. Andy says something stupid (which with Andy is pretty much everything).
2. Some new user calls him on it and wants a little explanation.
3. Andy repeats the original stupid, possibly slightly more aggressive.
4. New user comes back and points out that the question wasn't answered, now demands an explanation.
5. New user gets blocked as a "liberal troll" or "vandal" by one of Andy's minions.
6. Andy "answers" another time (this way it looks like Andy won the argument, because the other user didn't answer anymore).

There are a few variations:
a) if the asking user is well established, he or she will get repremanded and ignored.
b) if the asking user is one of the admins, he will be cut out over the next weeks or until they prove their loyalty by banning one of the new users.
c) if the asking user is completely new, they will get blocked before even getting an answer.

And so, Andy has completely forgotten how to answer questions properly. All the admins have their own special ways of doing this: Andy ignores people, Karajou just blocks them, Ed Poor simply moves on probably with a reference to how long he's been involved in the project and Conservative simply keeps on taking stupid until the critic just gives up then claims victory.

10/31/2013 6:15:52 AM

Mister Spak

But why is Japan at the top of student achievemant lists? Correllation is often due to causation, which proves that heathen jap religions produce smarter students. Christianity causes dumbassery.

10/31/2013 6:15:55 AM

Musicalbookworm

I don't suppose recommending Diane Ravich's books to Andy would do any good....

10/31/2013 6:31:36 AM

breakerslion

Life Magazine October 16, 1950 : Cover - Rue Lawrence, Winnetka High School girl.
Special Issue : US Schools in Crisis

Life Magazine December 10, 1951 Article: School Crowding in Midwest City, Oklahoma.

Life Magazine December 14, 1953 : Cover - Nixon, vice president. Article: Examination of secondary education, Part 1 - U.S. Public High School

Life Magazine May 3, 1954 : Color cover - Stamps.
Article: Baltimore's Mergenthaler Vocational-Technical high school, not much safety gear in evidence.

Life Magazine September 26, 1955 : Color cover - Mr. and Mrs. Truman of Independence.
Article: National school crisis, 1,400,000 more students and not enough space.

Life Magazine September 17, 1956 : Cover - Salvaged suitcase from Andrea Doria. Article: Halting and Fitful battle for integration - Clinton Tennessee high school.

Oh, the Good Old Days....

Don't worry Andy. The government has been "fixing" public education for a long time, and I'm sure they'll fix it some more once they get the hang of it.

10/31/2013 7:16:10 AM

anothga

Okay. Now answer the question.

10/31/2013 7:29:00 AM

JeanP

I heard the U.S.S.R. educationnal system had good results - and it was the country where the treatment of believers, Orthodox priests, imams and rabbis went from being barely tolered to being send to the Lubyanka basement.

So, no, spirituality isn't linked to better academic results.

[EDIT]:You still hasn't answered the question.

10/31/2013 8:00:38 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Public schools did fine before there was atheistic exclusion of Christianity from them"

"Correlation is often due to causation, and the exclusion of Christianity was clearly a cause of the subsequent decline in values, motivation, safety, and achievement of public schools. It is equally clear that many atheists are the driving force in expelling all things Christian from public schools to this day."

Japan. China.

Your call, Andy Schaftafly.

10/31/2013 8:03:17 AM

Thinking Allowed

Would less money in the school system have anything to do with military as this chart shows?


10/31/2013 9:04:34 AM

freako104

The stupid is strong with Andy Schlafly

10/31/2013 9:10:43 AM
1 2