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Hmmm - if an atheist is in a forest; but no one sees or hears them, does heresy exist?
2/24/2006 3:09:54 AM
The subtext to the Bible & Science forum in which this is posted:
\"Science is the pursuit of Knowledge, The Bible, the pursuit of Truth. Combining them, we hope to discover both Truth and knowledge. Science attempts to answer the “How’s and Why’s” of the physical universe, the Bible answers the Who’s.\"
2/24/2006 4:12:37 AM
Nothing like making sure the sheep don't hear anything that might cause them to think, eh?
2/24/2006 4:16:14 AM
And in the same breath, creationist fundies accuse scientists of suppressing alternative \"theories\" and stifling debate.
2/24/2006 4:44:32 AM
typical move for a christian board when faced with a crumbling worldview. They have convinced themselves of fiction and their precious little eyes can't see any counter to their idiocy and juvenile circular thinking.
Is it any wonder fundies don't like associating with atheists? They are the equivalent of grown retarded men who get mad at you when you tell them Santa isn't real.
Fundies are a weird bunch.
2/24/2006 5:18:01 AM
So just what do they think they'll be discussing now? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Whether they should hate gays more than atheists?
The problem is that fundies have no way of resolving diagreements. If two atheists should disagree on, say, the mass of Mars, they could look up the data or (in principle) conduct their own experiments. If two fundies disagree about whether young-Earth creationism or old-Earth creationism is correct, they're stuck. They can't look at the evidence even if they get around to making predictions and testing their beliefs. And if they start quoting bible verses at each other, neither is bound by any logical convention to interpret these verse as the other person does.
I can't help but wonder if this is the reason so many religious conflicts end in bloodshed.
2/24/2006 7:35:09 AM
Who says there is no Taliban in America?
2/24/2006 9:07:02 AM
Main difference between science and religion is the ability to learn from mistakes.
Knock holes in science and you'll have something stronger as a result.
Fundies are just trying to protect their house of cards by killing anyone that tries to blow on it.
2/24/2006 10:24:52 AM
Don't youse try to argue wit' da boss. He don' like guys what disagrees wit' him. Capeesh?
2/24/2006 2:39:01 PM
<<< Hey, at least they give you a heads up over there, and not arbitrarily ban you because the admin doesn't like your opinon. Like I dunno, Free Conservatives for example. >>>
If you're refering to your posts on the board, you were quite obviously trolling in that your posts were clearly not going to stimulate any debate and weren't intended to. I might agree that your banning came a little quick, but I don't think it was unwarranted.
2/24/2006 3:46:52 PM
Ahh, more Christian tolerance and open debate. Ever wonder why there are so damn many denominations in christianity?
2/24/2006 3:59:11 PM
I post on Bibleforums pretty regularly. Recently, they've allowed atheists to post in a number of forums, rather than confining them to a single forum (which they used to do in the past). The new rules in that forum effectively remove intelligent debate between atheists and Christians, and allows creationist lies and mistruths and bollocks to be continued to be spread. I think this is a sad move for an otherwise good message board.
2/24/2006 5:48:12 PM
Wow, Simon Eades, I am surprised to see that you post here. Do you always make a point of \"befriending\" people before you go behind their backs and mock them?
2/24/2006 6:17:46 PM
Wow, Bible Thumper, where in simon's post is he mocking?
He's always been very fair & reasonable with the folks at bibleforums.org. He has every reason to be disappointed with their recent attempt to stifle debate.
2/24/2006 6:59:18 PM
Of course, their rules (and mods) say they are NOT a debate forum. As a private forum it's their prerogative to allow what they want. [/Devil's Advocate]
Of course, the same could be said for FreeConservatives (with the exception of the FC-ers encouraging debate). However, the lion's share of FC members are jerks, whereas most of the Bibleforum people are nice, if fundamental.
2/24/2006 7:26:05 PM
The purpose of Bibleforums is not to debate. The forum exists to glorify God, to spread the message of salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ, and to fellowship with other believers.
I'm sure you can understand how atheists coming to the board and forming arguments with believers over what we hold to be Biblically true is not glorifying to God.
And whether Simon Eades was mocking in his post or not, I still find it unsettling that he has no problem hanging out on our board and befriending us and then turning around and hanging out at a forum where we are routinely mocked and belittled.
2/24/2006 7:41:34 PM
sigh. It's their loss.
2/24/2006 7:49:35 PM
I was going to say something Bible Thumper, but I think noticing that this rule was put in place in a forum called \"Science and the Bible\" really sums up how ridiculous I think it is to ban atheist or non-Christians from such a forum.
2/24/2006 10:44:13 PM
Jade, thank you for pointing out the most critical detail. I agree, that is beyond absurd; it should read \"ANTIscience and the Bible\" if they're going to take that attitude.
2/24/2006 11:02:49 PM
TDR....I can't think of anything Christians would lose from not having atheists around.
Jade....the forum is Science and the Bible. It's not a free-for-all forum to push secular science. It is a forum intended to glorify God, through focus and study of His Word, first and foremost. Trying to disprove the Christian faith, through any means, has never been allowed on the board.
I'm honestly curious why so many atheists feel the need to come to Christian sites and argue with fundamentalists anyway. What are you hoping to prove?
2/24/2006 11:05:54 PM
Bible Thumper: \"And whether Simon Eades was mocking in his post or not, I still find it unsettling that he has no problem hanging out on our board and befriending us and then turning around and hanging out at a forum where we are routinely mocked and belittled.\"
Do you mean because he posts at both Bibleforums and FSTDT? But you just did too.
2/24/2006 11:07:31 PM
\"Do you mean because he posts at both Bibleforum and FSTD? But you just did too.\"
Have you seen me making comments about any \"fundies\"? I obviously come here as an outsider who disagrees with you all, so your point is moot.
2/24/2006 11:09:59 PM
<<< You consider 'a little quick' to be one post? >>>
It says you have five posts. I only see two of them, but if the other three were just as bad, then you deserved it.
<<< You consider a post critizing Vegans for there moral hypocrisy not meant to stimulate debate yet a post calling all meat eaters murders is? >>>
The difference is that Yahweh gave reasons for his position. You were obviously just trying to stir shit up. (In case you hadn't noticed, several others were arguing against him on the topic - but they weren't being assholes about it. Guess how many of them have been banned? None.)
<<< I see Yahwehes \"Unintentionally Funny Bush Photo\"thread is really meant to stimulate debate, what a hypocrite. >>>
There's a difference between starting a non-serious thread in a non-serious part of the forum and attempting to derail a serious debate. Anyone with a shred of common sense can tell the difference.
<<< Of course, their rules (and mods) say they are NOT a debate forum. As a private forum it's their prerogative to allow what they want. >>>
That much is true. That doesn't mean their rules make sense - but they still do have the right to make whatever rules they want, just as we have the right to say what we think of those rules.
2/24/2006 11:18:48 PM
Bible Thumper #18871
<< Jade....the forum is Science and the Bible. It's not a free-for-all forum to push secular science. It is a forum intended to glorify God, through focus and study of His Word, first and foremost. Trying to disprove the Christian faith, through any means, has never been allowed on the board. >>
BibleThumper, I haven't seen the thread in question, and I don't mean to say that you shouldn't have your site dedicated to glorifying God. That's entirely your prerogitive; I agree that anti-Christian sentiments must be just as annoying in that setting as all the proselytizing posts that inevitably crop up in the discussion boards of science articles.
You say you study \"His Word, first and foremost,\" but that indicates the willingness to consider other matters, beyond the Bible, that convey God's glory -- such as, I would assume, the natural realm. (One of my favorite quotations, though I no longer remember who it is from, was the saying, \"An undevout astronomer is mad.\" I don't necessarily agree with it, but I certainly can appreciate what was meant by it.) Surely, then, if one discusses observations of the natural realm, and these conflict with biblical observations, some hashing out must be done in order to achieve some kind of resolution to the conflict. How do you expect to do that if you simply ban all manner of dissent?
<< I'm honestly curious why so many atheists feel the need to come to Christian sites and argue with fundamentalists anyway. What are you hoping to prove? >>
Exactly the same question I've wondered of the many Christians who post countless evangelical posts and mocking anti-evolutionary and anti-cosmological diatribes on science article message boards. I agree that anyone, atheist or otherwise, who operates as a troll should get the boot, whichever camp he's in.
But maybe there is a middle ground available for reasonable dissent and discussion, if EVERYONE (*looks around the room at atheists and fundies alike*) can just be civil and stick to the individual topics at hand.
What do you say?
2/24/2006 11:35:29 PM
Golden Rule in my book.
If you haven't tried Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll, You are lame in my book.
2/24/2006 11:48:11 PM
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