if a girl leads a guy on, or is drunk at a party and flirts a lil, or leaves the impression she wants more then to just make out.. she gets.. "sexed up"
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but how can you blame a guy for lusting a girl who is wearing clothes that essentuate the female figure.. you cant..
and those guys who rape girls, were pushed over, or took themselves over the limit..
i guarantee if girls wore dresses like they used to in the 1800's.. the amount of rape cases would be cut in half..
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No, rapes might decrease if guys kept their weenies in their pants...
Then again, rape is about force and control, not sex. Not all rape victims wore "clothes that essentuate the female figure" (that's ACCentuate, dipshit).
Martha P.: "Not all rape victims wore "clothes that essentuate the female figure" (that's ACCentuate, dipshit)."
Indeed. I've lusted after hundreds of women...but I've not raped any of them.
Repeat after me, TJ - "No" means "go home and have a wank".
Mr. Turquoise
Sorry, little TJ, you've failed Lesson 1 in justice, so let's move back to Lesson 0: It's not the victim's fault.
Yeah, sure, them wimmins shure was modest in them times:
"The 1790’s saw women’s dress lose its artificially supported dignity in favor of comfort and naturalism. Not to be unnoticed however, late 18th Century women transferred their emphasis from splendor to sex and discarded not only their false rumps but their underwear* as well. The woman of 1800 proudly displayed the strength of her femininity with as much force as her mid-century predecessor." (From The Costumer's Manifesto, http://tinyurl.com/o6r8v )
Also, considering the way the dresses/underpinnings were constructed, it's highly unlikely that it would dissuade a rapist. After all, if you're going to choose a victim, one that can't run away very easily/fight back effectively is going to be more appealing than one who _can_... Which is part of what rape is all about anyhow.
And now I have to stop, because otherwise I'll break down into incoherent ranting.
* It's entirely possible that this refers to crinolines and multiple petticoats rather than the women "going commando", not that I know anything about the history of the wearing of what we today know as underwear.
But, officer, it's not my fault. I didn't want to bludgeon the clerks and steal the money -- but they were holding it up and counting it where I could see it and everything, and I -- I -- I just couldn't control myself!
~David D.G.
Your honor, I put it to you that the alleged victim was "sexed up" and asking for it with her revealing clothes. Yeah, brilliant TJ.
Anyone who emphathises with a rapist is scum.
Also, I have an inkling that the number of ACTUAL rapes (as opposed to reported ones) was actually much, much higher in the 1800s, especially spousal rape.
Yes, beause men turn into uncontrollable sex demons the moment they see and inch of skin.
"I didn't mean to violate that girl in every orifice with my huge, throbbing, tentacle penises officer! Honest!"
Well it was written by the same guy that said women should shut up because it was Eve that ate the apple not Adam, so you have a fair point Sierra. The verses are:
1Cr 7:4 the wife over her own body hath not authority, but the husband; and, in like manner also, the husband over his own body hath not authority, but the wife.
1Cr 7:5 Defraud not one another, except by consent for a time, that ye may be free for fasting and prayer, and again may come together, that the Adversary may not tempt you because of your incontinence;
So it does imply consent. Basically it says put out to stop your spouse being tempted by Satan.
(my 2c - more often than not the more women get sex, the more they want it. The less men get sex, the more they want it)
A man who rapes a woman is someone who chooses not to control himself. End of story.
Rape is the perp's fault...and as for rapes being less 200 years ago, well, they were less reported, but...
"1Cr 7:5 Defraud not one another, except by consent for a time, that ye may be free for fasting and prayer, and again may come together, that the Adversary may not tempt you because of your incontinence"
That is possibly the only verse I could agree with.
- I feel like the Adversary (¿?) is tempting me... Hurry, take off your clothes...
I just have to remember to tell that to my girlfriend.
Yes, because everything was saintly and pure in the 1800s. Never mind that there was a large amount of child prostitution going on, some men had mistresses on the sly or left their wives altogether, or that a certain fellow named Jack the Ripper went around, killing and slicing up prostitutes (but in TJ's mind, this wouldn't count, because they obviously deserved it *cough*.) Get a life.
"You were coming onto me."
"They always say that, Jeff."
"Who?"
"WHo?! The pedophiles! 'Oh, she was so sexy, she was asking for it.' 'She was only technically a girl, she acted like a woman. It's just so easy to blame a kid, isn't it! Just because a girl knows how to imitate a woman does not mean that she is ready to do what a woman does. I mean, you're the grownup here. If a kid experiments and says something flirtatious, you ignore it. You don't encourage it." - Hayley (Ellen Page) and Jeff (Patrick Wilson) in "Hard Candy."
"i guarantee if girls wore dresses like they used to in the 1800's.. the amount of rape cases would be cut in half.."
Really? It seems like if you're making a completely baseless prediction, you should at least make it more dramatic. If you think that women dressing like the 1800s (if you even know what they dressed like in the 1800s) would only stop half of all rapes, it doesn't seem like that strong a correlation. If everyone would stop being such fuckwits, I guarantee that there wouldn't be any rape.
TJ: Grab your cock and whack off, you horny little pervert ... and keep right on pulling on it and squeezing it until the damned thing pops right off and we can all stop wondering when you're going to rape someone, you idiotic fuckwad.
the amount of rape cases would be cut in half
So if rape is always the woman's fault because she dressed immodestly, then what accounts for the other half of the rapes that will continue in your statement above? It can't be the man's fault because the woman causes him to lust. But if she dresses modestly so he doesn't lust, then why will rapes still happen?
Could it be that men need to take personal responsibility too for rape?! What a concept!!!
I guarantee you if we castrated you all, the amount of rape cases would go down to zero. And I apologize to all the decent guys out there, but I am getting sick and fucking tired of having to dress and live my life according to what some man somewhere thinks.
How can you blame a girl for getting appalled by your English. For example: "then" and "than" are NOT synonyms!
So, no guy has ever worn clothes that "essentuate" the male figure? Go figure (har har).
What about 83-year-old "girls" who are walking home from church and get raped? Did they also get "sexed up" or "take themselves over the limit"?
Rapes are least likely to happen in nudist camps, where everyone wears nothing whatsoever. How do you explain that, TJ?
Ooh, I know, I know! It's not about sex, it's about power. And also "what you hide is more enticing than what you expose".
And if they ran around the way Eve did in the Garden of Eden....what would happen then?
Or did they have clothes shops? Poor Adam if they did. The only woman on earth and she's dressed in some shapeless sack to keep him at bay.
I guess the first part isn't wrong. I know I like to look at women who wear sexy clothes. How fucking ever, I have never even had the desire to force myself on anyone. Shit, the way these morons talk, you'd think that the ability to keep one's dick in his pants was a Goddamn superpower.
In short, fuck you and your victim-blaming mentality.
Nope, nein, non. The problem is that men are raised to think only in terms of conquest, who has the biggest dong, who can fuck the most people in one week,etc. They are not taught that women are PEOPLE, not objects. They are taught that women are things to be acted upon, not people who have feelings, hopes, and dreams. "Well she was askin' for it dressin' like that" is just a smokescreen for the truth: That there are still too many people around who don't consider women to be anything other than objects that just happen to breathe.
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