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Quote# 128325

Filed under #acab

wetwareproblem, tumblr 19 Comments [6/19/2017 9:46:00 PM]
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Quote# 128324

Let's say someone horribly bullies you. One day you see the bully about to die and they are begging for your help (they are still yelling at you and calling you names as they do this) , would you help them or would you leave the bully to die?

Ayin: I’d try to save them, because frankly death over bullying is not a line I’d be willing to cross.
Ashlyn: Except I’d take front and back off. While leaving someone to die is a moral failure, you’re trying to go into a lethal situation with someone who is still an active threat and who has displayed worse ethics. We have no guarantee we’d come out alive. Defend the system at all costs.

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if you believe you are allowed to be offensive and rude to cis people you are a fucking hypocrite. you want equality? then treat people how you want to be treated.

If you believe trans people’s safety and equality should depend on how polite they are to you, you’re a fucking terrible human being.

wetwareproblem, tumblr 14 Comments [6/19/2017 9:45:51 PM]
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Quote# 127670

I get intrusive thoughts about lots of things but I don't actually want to do them so I feel like using intrusive thoughts to defend MAPs (who do want to have sex with kids even if they wouldn't act on it ) perpetuates the wrong idea that people always want to do the things their intrusive thoughts are about.

When I talk about how this shit is splashing on people with intrusive thoughts, it’s not in service of somebody else.

See if you can follow: If you demonize people for thoughts rather than actions, or equate thought to action, you are saying that people must maintain perfect control of their brains at all times. If they have a Bad Thought, regardless of whether they have any control over it, that makes them a monster who deserves to die.

This splashes on literally all mentally ill people (you know, people whose brains are outside of our control and hurting us), but particularly on people with intrusive thoughts.

Again, we’d like to point out: We have a girlfriend who has intrusive thoughts. These thoughts have nothing to do with pedophilia at all. And as a child, this shit nearly killed her. Because it convinced her that she was an irredeemable monster who would inevitably hurt people she cared about.

Regardless of your position in the discourse around CSA, this is a bad policy that splashes on all sorts of unintended targets and does real, tangible harm to them.

People should not be made suicidal because they cannot control their brains perfectly. I cannot believe this is remotely controversial.

(I’m leaving aside the whole “there’s no such thing as an unwanted attraction” thing because that’s a whole other can of worms, but it too is an ugly one that splashes on unintended targets.)

wetwareproblem, tumblr 5 Comments [5/31/2017 12:50:30 AM]
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Quote# 127669

Why the hell do you assume everyone who hates pedos isn't "doing anything" to help actual children, that's an INCREDIBLY manipulative response and you don't know what people are doing in their personal lives to help children of they aren't gloating about it. My family has housed victims to protect them from their abusers. You have no right to assume that people aren't doing anything "real" because they hate pedophiles.

Maybe it’s the way y’all have harassed CSA survivors off this hellsite for daring to point to actual, empirical research on how to reduce CSA.

Maybe it’s the time I got screamed at for daring to mention anything as irrelevant as the actual real-life activism I’ve done against actual real-life child rapists when I was accused of supporting them.

Maybe it’s the time someone yelled at CSA survivors for not joining the latest hate mob and dismissed someone deliberately exposing minors to sexual content in order to harm them as irrelevant in the same breath.

Maybe it’s that the performative hatred and stigmatization of pedophilia has the effect of making predatory skills into survival skills for these people - making them both more likely to offend and more capable of offending - but has not been demonstrated to actually reduce the rate of child sexual assault.

Maybe it’s that the conflation of “pedophile” and “child molester” allows opportunistic predators to fly under the radar and face no consequences for their actions.

Maybe it’s that the anti squad embraces all of the above, rather than condemning it.

When you actively contribute to pedophiles learning predatory skills, harm CSA victims while letting active offenders go untouched, and literally don’t care about real life activism… yeah, I’m gonna accurately state that you don’t give a single fuck about helping kids.
Filed under #Ashlyn is still waiting for literally any of you to give a single fuck about COCSA survivors #CSA #pedophilia #Anonymous #answers

wetwareproblem, tumblr 0 Comments [5/31/2017 12:50:26 AM]
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Quote# 127667

Again, I'm not threatening and I'm not saying I'll stop supporting the autistic community just bc one member was mean to me, I'm saying I'll stop supporting THAT particular member. And that's not ableism, that's a personal trouble.

Making your support of someone conditional on their behaviour is a threat. It is saying “You will do what I want, or I will support hurting you.” (Remember, silence is assent to the status quo, and the status quo is “autistic people are dehumanized and tortured and killed.”) That’s not support - it is very literally how abusers keep their victims in line. Anon, please stay the hell away from all of us. We don’t want your thinly-veiled abuse.

wetwareproblem, tumblr 7 Comments [5/31/2017 12:49:44 AM]
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Quote# 127666

Unfriendly fucking reminder that the best predictor of mass shootings is not mental illness, but being an angry young white man who has recently experienced rejection and has easy access to guns.

I 100% agree with your points on mental illness, but race and gender are entirely unrelated and tying them into your argument just inspires discrimination. I am not a white male, and that is the demographic which is involved in school shootings most often, but it’s wrong to target any race or gender and criminalize them. It takes away from the message you’re trying to spread about mental illness and makes you seem like a bigot. If you want people to listen be a bit nicer

Oh man where do I start.

Sweetie, I invite you to go back there and point out just where I talked about “criminalizing” anything. What I am concerned with is stopping murder. Which means when a wildly disproportionate number of shooters comes from a single demographic, it’s about time to admit that there are some underlying factors there. Maybe even time to admit that catering to and justifying white men’s violence at everyone else’s expense is a super shitty thing to do and we need to stop doing it.

What exactly is your plan? Throw up your hands and let more kids die because oh, gee, it would be unfair to look at the structural factors that play into these things? Tell me, how fucking fair is it that people like me get shot because nobody is willing to examine the prejudices I’m calling out there? How fair is it that existing while mentally ill can get me locked up indefinitely or killed, whether or not I’ve done anything wrong?

As for the tone policing: If you’re not willing to stand with mentally ill folks because we didn’t abase ourselves before you properly, you were never our fucking ally. If “you didn’t ask nicely!” means more to you than “people are fucking dying because of this,” then your priorities are flat-out wrong and disgusting.

#glenjamin1616 #tone policing bullshit #ashlyn is so tired of being 'politely' told to sit down and shut up

wetwareproblem, tumblr 11 Comments [5/31/2017 12:49:28 AM]
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Quote# 127665

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Wow. You know so much about me. We have tried literally everything, with varying degrees of success. From holding him down so he didn’t hit me anymore to running away to Both me and my wife had to go to the hospital on different occasions.

Seriously, go fuck yourself you self righteous fuck. You know jack shit about what has gone on

As to cops, it’s not their job to deescalate meltdowns. It’s their job to enforce laws. But hey, I do know a mentally ill person killed two cops in California who were calming talking to him by drawing out a gun and shooting them while they tried to deescalate. One was set to retire in December and the other just got back from maternity leave. I’m sure they would be alive if they had you peoples edgy training. [..]


See? No advocating killing aspies. No saying meltdowns warrant lethal force. Only if lethal force is offered it can be returned. That’s it. That’s all I’m saying. Apparently reading comprehension is an issue in your diagnosis as well
And if you say cops shouldn’t use lethal force because the subject is mentally ill, you don’t deserve to be in a grown up conversation

Replying and blocking so the person can’t respond. Nice echo chamber. Why am I not surprised that a cop is also a blatant fucking hypocrite?

You know what I notice every time you talk about dealing with your son’s meltdowns? You’re always - literally always - talking about what you did for yourselves. Nowhere on that list is anything to do with addressing the cause of the meltdown, removing your son from the circumstances that are overwhelming him that badly or removing the thing which is causing it. Nowhere in there is even the slightest shred of awareness of what meltdowns are and why.

You have demonstrated, right here in this post, by your own explanation of what constitutes the boundaries of “everything,” that you have tried everything except treating your child like a fucking human being with a mind and reasons for these actions.

I might not know every single detail of your life. But I know your type, I know the way people like you operate, and - this is key - I know a world more about autism and meltdowns than you ever will, you arrogant abusive fuck.

I also noticed the bit where you said lethal force is justified to take down someone who presents a threat to no one but themself - how exactly is that in keeping with literally any definition of public safety or justice?

Now, since you obviously won’t listen to people whose lived experiences demonstrate a pattern of police violence that is not in keeping with a just society, try looking at the cold, hard data:

About 18.2% of the population of the US is mentally ill. Yet 50% of police shootings involve mentally ill victims. For the current situation to be justified, as you hold, mentally ill people must be 2.5 times as violent as the general population.

The problem is, we’ve done the research on this. Extensively. The conclusion? Mentally ill people are no more prone to violence than the general population. The most stigmatized illnesses, such as schizophrenia, tend to be less probe to violence than the general population. However - and this is important - the belief that mentally ill people are prone to violence is used to justify violence against them, making them more likely to be victims.

So if police use of force against the mentally ill is justified, we should see mentally ill people involved in about 18.2% of police shootings. Instead, that number is fifty goddamn percent, two and a half times higher than is reasonable.

There is absolutely no explanation for this that does not involve systemic violence and wildly unjustified force by police. Period. And people like you, trying to use the violence that has been done to us in the past to justify violence done to us in the future? You’re an excellent illustration of where the fucking problem lies

wetwareproblem, tumblr 1 Comments [5/31/2017 12:49:21 AM]
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Quote# 127664

[ That's Why I only date Masochists now, I can take out this anger on them and it's not abuse it's foreplay ]

wetwareproblem, tumblr 12 Comments [5/31/2017 12:38:05 AM]
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Quote# 127557

I would love to insult you, but instead I'll inform u, why are you spreading false information abt ABA some of my closest friends help children eat properly, socialize, take care of themselves.How is helping some1 function in society a bad thing

“Look how gracious I’m being by not treating you like the subhuman I think you are. I’m going to inform you by demanding that you justify your position against child torture. Despite not actually being involved on any level, I’m an expert because some of my friends support torturing children to make them look ‘normal.’”

Notably absent from any of this is any sign that you’ve listened to what actually autistic people who have actually been through ABA have to say about it.

Fuck off out of my inbox, anon.

#aba #abused because autistic #ashlyn #isn't giving you brownie points for your 'restraint' either #Anonymous

wetwareproblem, tumblr 4 Comments [5/27/2017 8:52:11 AM]
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Quote# 127556

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Hey I wanted to thank you for all the ABA posts you've been making. "Compliance" and "compliance training" have been major triggers (It's okay because I don't exist right now) for me for years and I've never heard anyone else talk about ABA using those words (and I've repeatedly questioned whether I imagined it all). I don't know. My brain feels wrong so this probably isn't coherent. But thank you. (I'm sorry if you've already gotten this but I wasn't sure I'd sent it so I'm sending it again)

Thank you, Nonny. This is… this is good right now and I appreciate it. I don’t think I realized quite how sensitive a subject this was for me until I got into it, and I definitely didn’t expect that post to explode the way it has. I’ve made variations on that post before and they never got anywhere near this level of attention. And while that’s a good thing - I want people to be aware of this - it also lead to people coming into my inbox to try and justify this stuff to me.

Here’s the kicker: I haven’t been through ABA proper. My compliance training was informal - but I can see the strong parallels between the ways I’ve suffered and the effects it’s had on me, and what ABA survivors talk about.

Compliance training teaches us that it’s wrong to say no, particularly to anybody in a position of perceived authority. It teaches us to do as we’re told, and to credulously accept what we’re told even if it makes no sense to us.

This is extremely fucking dangerous to do to disabled people, and kids, and disabled kids.

Disabled people have phenomenal rates of abuse and sexual assault - up to 80% for disabled women. And I am thoroughly convinced at this point that a large part of the reason why is that we have been conditioned and pre-groomed for our attackers.

Compliance training lead directly to my assault. I don’t want it to lead to anyone else’s.

wetwareproblem, tumblr 2 Comments [5/27/2017 8:51:25 AM]
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