Quote# 127665 in response to this post
Wow. You know so much about me. We have tried literally everything, with varying degrees of success. From holding him down so he didn’t hit me anymore to running away to Both me and my wife had to go to the hospital on different occasions.
Seriously, go fuck yourself you self righteous fuck. You know jack shit about what has gone on
As to cops, it’s not their job to deescalate meltdowns. It’s their job to enforce laws. But hey, I do know a mentally ill person killed two cops in California who were calming talking to him by drawing out a gun and shooting them while they tried to deescalate. One was set to retire in December and the other just got back from maternity leave. I’m sure they would be alive if they had you peoples edgy training. [..]
I will say it again and slowly. IF THE FORCE RISES TO LETHAL, POLICE CAN USE LETHAL FORCE IN DEFENSE. THE MENTAL STATE OF THE SUBJECT IS IRRELEVANT
See? No advocating killing aspies. No saying meltdowns warrant lethal force. Only if lethal force is offered it can be returned. That’s it. That’s all I’m saying. Apparently reading comprehension is an issue in your diagnosis as well
And if you say cops shouldn’t use lethal force because the subject is mentally ill, you don’t deserve to be in a grown up conversation
Replying and blocking so the person can’t respond. Nice echo chamber. Why am I not surprised that a cop is also a blatant fucking hypocrite?
You know what I notice every time you talk about dealing with your son’s meltdowns? You’re always - literally always - talking about what you did for yourselves. Nowhere on that list is anything to do with addressing the cause of the meltdown, removing your son from the circumstances that are overwhelming him that badly or removing the thing which is causing it. Nowhere in there is even the slightest shred of awareness of what meltdowns are and why.
You have demonstrated, right here in this post, by your own explanation of what constitutes the boundaries of “everything,” that you have tried everything except treating your child like a fucking human being with a mind and reasons for these actions.
I might not know every single detail of your life. But I know your type, I know the way people like you operate, and - this is key - I know a world more about autism and meltdowns than you ever will, you arrogant abusive fuck.
I also noticed the bit where you said lethal force is justified to take down someone who presents a threat to no one but themself - how exactly is that in keeping with literally any definition of public safety or justice?
Now, since you obviously won’t listen to people whose lived experiences demonstrate a pattern of police violence that is not in keeping with a just society, try looking at the cold, hard data:
About 18.2% of the population of the US is mentally ill. Yet 50% of police shootings involve mentally ill victims. For the current situation to be justified, as you hold, mentally ill people must be 2.5 times as violent as the general population.
The problem is, we’ve done the research on this. Extensively. The conclusion? Mentally ill people are no more prone to violence than the general population. The most stigmatized illnesses, such as schizophrenia, tend to be less probe to violence than the general population. However - and this is important - the belief that mentally ill people are prone to violence is used to justify violence against them, making them more likely to be victims.
So if police use of force against the mentally ill is justified, we should see mentally ill people involved in about 18.2% of police shootings. Instead, that number is fifty goddamn percent, two and a half times higher than is reasonable.
There is absolutely no explanation for this that does not involve systemic violence and wildly unjustified force by police. Period. And people like you, trying to use the violence that has been done to us in the past to justify violence done to us in the future? You’re an excellent illustration of where the fucking problem lies
wetwareproblem, tumblr 1 Comments
[5/31/2017 12:49:21 AM]
Fundie Index: 0