[Did Jesus ever state: "No, I do not believe in Evolution!"?]
Perhaps you would like to explain your theory for the evolution of the virgin birth for us? While your at it, maybe you can also explain the theory of the evolution of the immaculate conception. I am sure that would be of interest for all of us
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@MK
Not another John from CF. I'd say "Lord give me strength" but then... another John. Unfortunately it's the same JohnR7. Not sure why the quote is attributed to just John. Could've sworn I typed JohnR7 when I submitted this.
You've set an impossible task, since the events mentioned are divine and can not be linked to evolution. However, since the events are unnatural, the fact that evolution does not apply to them has absolutely no bearing on its applicability to natural phenomena.
I can just see John sitting back after typing this, with a self-satisfied smirk, thinking, "Ha! Those Darwinists will never be able to respond to this one! My logic is airtight this time!"
"Perhaps you would like to explain your theory for the evolution of the virgin birth for us?"Sure, no problem. The ToE has nothing to do with the story of the virgin birth of Jesus. The story of the virgin birth is not true, an utter fiction.
"While your at it, maybe you can also explain the theory of the evolution of the immaculate conception."
Sure, no problem. The ToE has nothing to do with the story of the immaculate conception of Jesus. The story of the immaculate conception is not true, an utter fiction.
"I am sure that would be of interest for all of us"
I'm sure that neither you nor your Fundie pals are interested in any answer that does not confirm what your Bible tells you to believe.
Ironically, asexual reproduction predates sexual reproduction, so it's not like "virgin births" are entirely without precedent in nature. (Of course, it's never happened among humans, but it's not as outlandish as dear old John seems to think.)
You know, in the time of Mary's virgin birth, there were a whole lot of "virgin births" going around.
>>I can just see John sitting back after typing this, with a self-satisfied smirk, thinking, "Ha! Those Darwinists will never be able to respond to this one! My logic is airtight this time!" <<
Sorry, John, but YOU are the one with the extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence -- of which none has ever been found. This is how ignorant you are; it is YOU who has the burden of proof, and you can't even see that it is crushing you.
Christians have taken pagan worship sites and 'yahwahfied' them, and even taken the statues erected to their gods and renamed them as saints. You think they didn't 'borrow' the idea of a virgin birth as well? Of course, you've never let reality get in the way of your decisions before now, I doubt that the most concrete and irrefutable evidence could withstand your 'scrutiny'.
IMHO, evolution was created by God to allow animals (and people) to adapt and survive. Creationists who believe speciation never occurs are out of touch, because it can be observed in lab experiments.
Okay, virgin birth? Unproven. Perhaps she was a frog, though. Or possibly bending her engagement vows.
Immaculate conception? Only applies to the religious statement that Mary was born without original sin, apparently by divine fiat, and therefore has no biology involved and no relation to evolution.
Probably not, as ToE wasn't ready until 1850 years after Jesus' birth, stupid!
Why should I explain the drivel from the Bible, which I believe in just as much as I believe in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows?
Thats easy:
"Virgin birth" and "immaculate conception" are fairy-tales. Tales are an important cultural factor in group cohesion. Group cohesion is an evolutionary advantage. The human trait to create common cultural icons is therefore evolutionary favored.
The "Immaculate conception" is a similiar cultural phenomenon as the "Illiad and Odyssey", the Edda, or Gilgamesh.
John, I hope this answered your question.
"Perhaps you would like to explain your theory for the evolution of the virgin birth for us? While your at it, maybe you can also explain the theory of the evolution of the immaculate conception. I am sure that would be of interest for all of us"
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
...there was once a Sith Lord called Darth Plagueis the Wise, who had discovered a way to manipulate Midichlorians to create life itself. Only, it worked better than he expected. You see, there was Shmi Skywalker (who gave birth to Anakin). And also, on an insignificant planet on the outer spiral arm of an equally insignificant galaxy, there was also Mary...
...and the rest is history, as they say.
And has as much credibility as a certain book that mentions a talking snake...!
Next fucking question, John.
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First of all, good sir, you are ducking the question. All that was asked of you was whether or not Jesus stated that he didn't believe in evolution. That is, at its simplest, a yes or no question. And YOU didn't even answer it.
As for the rest of it, I'll bite:
"Perhaps you would like to explain your theory for the evolution of the virgin birth for us?"
Well, there was that Komodo dragon who had a virgin birth ...
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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