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Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
August 2003 Edition
"Why are these people so afraid to show what happened
2000 years ago? The Jews have to own up to some responsibility." "I've said it before and I'll say it again: It'll
incite about as much anti-Semitic violence as Pearl Harbor incited
anti-Japanese violence." "Oh and the Jews. The day the Jews realise what they
have done and admit to it. The day we see revival in the Jewish faith turn
to Christian....." "If there had been no God, there would be no life. No
you or me. The reason why you don't believe in God is because you don't
believe in him." "It would be hard to imagine a more inverted view of
reality. *Evolution* (!?) is a compelling explanation for biology? You've
got to be kidding. Have you been living in a cave or something?" "I can not think of anything more indecent than the
homosexual lifestyle. It is a perversion that causes child molestation.
Just look at all the priests that the news was saying molested
childeren." "Actually if a human next to a dinosaur enveloped in
ice was ever found, it probably would disapear and never reach the public
eye. Do you how much evidence has been destroyed and taken by the
government and evolutionists." "Would you please stop trying to use my age [14]
against me... I have read testimonies by creationists (not Hovind) that
say they found evidence that would null evolution, but that evidence was
either stolen, taken away by government or the owners of the property
where the evidence was found or the owners were forced to dispose of the
evidence." "What do you mean by Mythology? I mean the Nation of
Israel existing now is proof of Bible Prophecy happening." "I am curious what will all of you guys do when the
rapture happens and you Christian Friends and Family and Neighbors and
Co-Workers are missing." "The A[nti]C[hrist] will come out of the REVIVED
ROMAN EMPIRE or what we call today the EUROPEAN UNION." "I am curious,will you be saying when the Rapture
does happen or will have thought your stance on there be no Rapture in the
next 10 years happening was wrong." "Why does the USA support Israel and also,why unless
there is a Spirtual Side to the fight between Muslims and Jews,why is
there so many people who want Israel and the Jewish People gone?" "I know most Conservative Jews and Christians support
Israel,but I wonder why Liberals seem to hate Israel,or it LIBERALS ARE A
BUNCH OF BIGOTED FREEDOM HATERS. " "Name me one Liberty that has been taken away by
Conservatives. Name me one and show me documented evidence of it and not
the rAmblings of the AMERICAN COMMUNIST LOVERS UNION or ACLU as the Useful
Idiots to the ACLU call it." "You mean like the Radical gay Rights Fanatics who
try to convert Churches into Lukewarm Chuches (i.e. METHODISTS and
ANGLICANS)" "If you arent going to be here,the [Rapture]
Insurance either way wont be of any use. Cause the Rapture is going to end
up bankrupting the Insurance Companies,so it wont make no never mind
anyway." "I will take that bet and I bet you will be ponying
up the money if you are wrong(oh,wait I wont be here after the
Rapture)" "if the Rapture is a bunch of hogwash,why are you so
hellbent on shutting up this discussion." "When the Rapture does happen,dont be asking for
evidence after that cause Millions of People Vanishing off the Face of the
Earth in a Twinking of a Eye will be your proof then." "Humans are sinners and monsters from the get-go and
that is why unless we turn to JESUS CHRIST who died on a cross 2000 years
ago to pay for our sins,we will always be monsters and evil." [After being asked, sarcastically, to sign over his stuff
in case of Rapture] "But why should I give you or any of the other
Atheists here my stuff then? I thought you people didnt believe in GOD or
the rapture. I think you guys do believe the Rapture will happen,cause
after all,why would you be asking someone who is going in the rapture to
give away his stuff then?" "WHAT I MEAN BY LUKEWARM CHRISTIAN IS: Someone who
claims to be a Christian but dont believe JESUS is the MESSIAH. Many of
those Christians are called the Episcopal and Methodist Churches." "I'm sick of seeing Christians defend ACLU and the
idotic mantra Separation of church and state. This garbage is inviting the
persecution of Christians and only the spiritually blind and/or Biblically
illiterate are unable to see that." "But you forget that [Roman] Lions wouldnt torture
Christians as slowly and painfully as the ACLU Communist Lawyers do." "The ACLU and in particular the one run here in
Nebraska is a Mafia Style Orginzation that answers to no one and seems to
scare people much like Jesse Jackson's racist groups shakedown money out
of companies." "Im a tired of this homosexuality craze in the US at
the momment. Everywhere you look its homo this, homo that, It really
disgusts me. On tv, gay tv shows everywhere. In the news, gay, gay, gay.
It has only gotten worse sense the sodemy laws were downed." "'Mindless slaughter', you say? Do you have a direct
hot-line into God's mind? Do you know His purpose and reasons?" "I know your type and a mountain falling on your head
wouldn't convince you. Just remember, if you can, the following word :
'Ooops'. It'll be most appropriate for you on a certain special Day." "Likewise, the god of this world, satan and his
minions, speak to you, but you mistake those voices for your own
thoughts." "Loud homosexuals (the ones who will be doing the
adopting more than likely) seem to be strangely obsessed with defining
themselves sexually." "Similarly, even if you understood the details of how
the gods control the weather, you still couldn't know what the weather
would be without knowing the laws of meteorology, because other factors
than the gods' actions are involved." "Just one of the latest in an already growing wave of
gay TV propaganda.... Another tool to help brainwash the weak minded into
buying into the gay agenda....." "I am sick to death of the all the 'gay this' and
'gay that' in the news and on t.v. It's everywhere you go! It's like
blatant sex and promiscuous sex on t.v and the movies isn't enough? So,
when are they going to start pushing beastiality as the next t.v.
fad?" "Watch your schools very carefully. The gay agenda is
trying to focus on the children with their propoganda. It has been
creeping into more and more public schools, often without parental
knowledge. I am sure it will be greatly on the increase now." "And Phillip is not a gay name! Phillip was one of
the disciples. How dare they appropriate his name for a gay guy [on TV]!
" "I really can't blame you. It is an affect of sin
that is the reason you can't understand the scriptures, that is until the
day God finally reveals their truths to you." [Replying to 'would you object to a celibate homosexual
minister?'] "Just don't send him to US Blackbird! No way would I
EVER EVER EVER tolerate a homosexual minister! I'd leave that church so
fast!" "But would they [even] be a homosexual if they were
celibate. Aren't YOU implying that you can tell a homosexual person by how
they look or act?" "Under these circumstances, the man would have fully
repented of homosexuality and would wholly reject the label 'abstinate
homosexual' but rather 'former homosexual'. In short, anyone who
considered themselves a 'homosexual', abstinate or active, would not be
fully repentant and therefore not qualifed to minister." "One cannot simultaneously be truly repentant and
label themselves by a predisposition towards a particular sin. Contrary to
popular indoctrination, 'homosexual' is defined by what some perverse
people do, not by what they are." *** Post of the Week for August 31-September 5, 2003 *** "Well the sources you provide [rebutting the errors
in Chick tracts] appear to be Catholic... I'm considering the source
there. I know without a doubt that Jack Chick and Dr. Rivera were telling
the truth." "So just because some schlub who threw together a web
site says Chick's not honest, I should just jump on *their* bandwagon?
Anyway, I did my research on it a long time ago and I can say with
confidence that Chick is not dishonest." "So for me, the jury is out on Jack Chick. At best,
he is a guy who has done much to expose the ultimate evil in our world
(the Vatican and the forces of Satan in our government)." "if you want my opinion.... i think God should do
exactly what he did in Genesis....Wipe um [homosexuals] all out.. God said
no so sin...But yall who are so blind to the truth wont accept it." "i told you once opinions dont count... Your theology
is also wrong..... I dont think Homosexuals should have any rights until
they become a heterosexual....." "I have found with the evolutionary side is that they
have an excuse for everything. There is NOTHING which they cannot
accomodate one way or another. That makes any evidence presented by
creation folk irrelevant, ignorant, too limited to count, etc." "I'm referring to the evolution that athiests believe
in. The religion known as evolutionism or secular humanism." "Then if evolution has nothing to do with stars then
you either a) believe in supernatural creation of the stars or b) you
believe they evolved. Which is again, part of evolution." [Replying to 'you have every right... to question']
"Yes, and look at the mess Satan caused at questioning God's absolute
authority! Having the right is not necessarily a good thing!" *** Post of the Week for August 24-30, 2003 *** [Replying to 'do sinless newborns go to hell?'] "Moot
point. We all sin by the time we are a newborn. When we are hungry or
cranky in the womb and kick we are being selfish and lashing out. That is
sin." "I surely wouldn't be considered by most a feminist.
If I had my way and had written in the Bible, I would have taught that no
woman should ever be in a position of leadership. Alas, however, I did not
write the Bible." [Replying to 'I prefer strong and outspoken women'] "Don't bother trying to mock me, it won't do any good
both for your argument, and your future. Your smart remarks mean nothing
to me because these aren't even my words that I'm telling you. I'm trying
to teach you about who God is and you are continuing in your false ideas.
You are not trying to mock me, but God. Know for certain: God
does........not........tolerate........mockers." "Studies have been done at the moment of death and
they have shown that the soul IS present in a body and at death the body
is a few ounces lighter. Logic would dictate that the soul was what
weighed those few ounces." [Explaining the root causes of child abuse] "This is
because parents are turning more to gayism and priests being pedophiles
and the Iraqi war." "Why in the world would you wish the best to
'atheist, agnostic, pagan, and witch'? " "I'm advocating that people like you [pagans] be
treated in the way God says you should be treated. You're fortunate that
the New Testament only says that we shouldn't wish you God speed. The Old
Testament had a stronger way of dealing with people like you. [Exo 22:18]
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." "I don't see it as hate. It's obeying God." [Replying to 'You would kill in god's name... and don't
only because of the law?'] "You have to understand the fact that 'Thou shalt not
kill' was a command given to individuals. The command to kill witches,
homosexuals, etc. was given to the community/society." "Since God's Word says: [Exo 22:18] Thou shalt not
suffer a witch to live. why would you want to do anything else?" [Replying to a pagan asking 'what would be done to my
child...?'] "He/she would, hopefully, be given to a Christian family
to raise. He/she would be taught to love and trust Jesus Christ as his/her
personal Saviour and he/she would spend eternity in Heaven." "You expect that non christians are going to have a
reprobate mind and that they are not going to understand the mind of
God." "I was trying to focus on the reprobate mind. The way
a believer thinks, as compared to the way a unbeliever thinks." "Do you have the mind of Christ? If you do not have
the mind of Christ, then you have a reprobate mind." "I'm not sure where but the Bible says that the Word
is only understood by those who have the ears to hear it... Kind of a
circular argument, but OK by me now that I believe. When I did not
believe, the arguments made absolutely no sense to me." "In the atheist mindset... there is no natural reason
to have a morality or a conscience. Beyond fear of getting caught and
punished, there is no natural, rational reason for personal morals." "When the lights go out and there is no longer any
reason to fear police, what will atheists do? What will they not do? What
is the rational reason to not take what you want, kill those who try to
prevent, and otherwise just do anything that comes to mind?" "Most atheists do not own up to the crimes of
atheists like Stalin. He was an atheist whose atrocities were directly
linked to his belief system. He murdered millions of people (many of them
theists) because He did not believe in God." "Atheism = fertile ground for twisted morality." "If I am not responding to some of your posts, it is
because your atheism has allowed you to adhere to a rational moralty which
includes being rude, insulting, and mean spirited. I have therefore placed
you on my ignore list and am not seeing your posts." "You are right their is a difference between murder
and homosexuality. Homosexuality is protected by society and murder is
not." "You see, the Smithsonian is responsible for hiding a
lot of evidence that goes against evolution, so I've heard." "Evolutionists, particularly the ones in this forum,
are among the most close-minded, biased people I've ever heard of... Also,
Kent Hovind IS a doctor. All the bogus riff-raff about Kent Hovind's
degree is just a back-and-forth rumor between the evolutionists." "I KNOW you will disagree, but I have seen Patriot's
policies, I have SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES Dr. Hovind's PhD diploma, I have
talked with Dr. Hovind personally, and I have even read the 'crap' that
says Patriot University is a 'degree mill.' Whether it is a degree mill or
not, (you'd have to be more specific) is not your business..." "Even if Dr. Hovind WASN'T a doctor that wouldnt mean
he doesn't have the righ to run C[reation]S[science]E[vangelism]... Also,
any TRULY open-minded, educated person who is not arrogant or ignorant
will admit that Dr. Hovind's degrees are legitimate." "You always seem to have anti-creationist crap posted
on the web, but I've never seen any evolutionists stand up to a publicised
book by a true creation scientist--read through those three books, check
their sources, AND ONLY THEN tell me that you can stand up to so-called
'dumb' creation scientists!!!" "Arky you aren't suggesting that born again
Christians would do that [slash a Wiccan's tires and make death threats]
are you?" "I don't believe her. Nothing is holding her
accountable for her words. I think she is lying. How many tires can
someone get away with slashing before they get caught?" "Evolution is a religion in competition with
Christianity. It has its adherents, priests and apologists. Since the
priests are the ones manufacturing the 'evidence' they can be like the
pagan priests who conjured 'magic' to convince the people to continue to
support them." "Dinosaurus lived less then 6000 year... if they
lived at all. i happen to be a christian that thinks that living dinosaurs
never existed" [Replying to 'you are deluded'] "ok hold off on the insults and follow with meon this
you don't have to agree just listen... Ibelieve the earth is roughly
7000-10,000 yers old...now i believe increation therefore God created the
universe with the APPEARANCE of age and not actual age. " "... well, while inbreeding is a problem, it is not
that much of a problem if you will assume that Adam and Eve's genes were
'perfect' and all the imperfections and racial diversity were introduced
with cosmic radiation and Satan." "And atheism is a great way to justify having sex
with animals. After all, an atheist does not have to be held accountable
for such actions!" "Although all athiests think differently and have
different morals they all acknowledge the same thing.. that God doesnt
exist. So like different donominations of christianity or another religion
who may differ on some views they all have the same major doctorines in
which they believe or agree upon just as all athiests hold that God does
not exsist. So athiesm is a religion it is the great negavtive
religion." "I respect atheists like Nietzsche, who recognize and
understand the implications of their worldview. If I believe that I'm the
end result of two rocks colliding into each other billions of years ago,
please don't preach to me about sending the $20 I'm going to use to buy a
sack of marijuana to some starving kids in Africa..." "Atheists need to realize that morality doesn't
coincide with the concept of 'survival of the fittest,' and if I'm a
product of the latter, I'll live my life according to that principle
because that's what's natural. If I truly believed in atheism and all of
its implications, I would admire Hitler more than I would Gandhi." "I do see a decline in morality that is
frightening..and the homosexual agenda is a big part of that
decline." "Scientists still have no answers. They have 'ideas'
and 'thesis', but no one has any cold, hard facts to present. So IMO, the
scientists have just as much of a shot at being right as the 'religious
fanatics who spread irrational paranoia'." "Innocent children should stay that way, and they
should not know what sex is until they're at least 16. Kids are getting
sexual information at an earlier age, and it's wrong." "No offense, Truncate, but placing your faith in
lexicographers, biologists & doctors will keep you in an inpenetrable
darkness forever." "The term is not 'Gay'. That is not your word. The
homosexual regime took it to try and sugarcoat actions that most might,
and indeed did, find reprehensible." "The pro-homosexual movement likes to liken
opposition with the Nazi death camps. The homosexual agenda sort of
reminds me of the Nazi regime, if I think within that context." "What matters is that you have made a conscious
choice, every time you embark upon those sexual quests of yours. What
matters is that there is an influx of homosexual propaganda in the media.
What matters is that there is good evidence to support a homosexual
agenda." "Take anything you believe is, absolutely and without
doubt, sinful. Whether it be an underground culture of snuff film creators
murdering for fun and profit, whether it be child molestation, or a group
that believes genocide of an entire minority race is the way to go, you
will obviously (and rightly) be outraged and frustrated by any activities
which promote this lifestyle or point of view as acceptable." "... is this person a follower of the old and new
testament? If not, I don't see any reason to debate this person unless
they are someone of faith... Many times they will question if bad is good
or good is really bad and do not have a compass as we do. They have to
come to terms and accept the Lord before they can see clearly. " "It [being gay] is harmful, even from a scientific
standpoint. We've seen that it's harmful. It's even harmful to many
teenagers state of minds, that try to commit suicide as a result." "What makes gay men so uniquely qualified to advise
straight people about how to live their lives?" [Replying to 'homosexuality is natural'] "Also go to www.google.com search engine and type
'evolution' and you will get plenty of stuff from very educated,
intelligent scientists who believe your uncle was a gorilla. Good
luck" "Evolution does say that we evolved from monkeys and
micro organisms. Particularly hard core evolutionists." "Actually, what they have is a bunch of different
skeltons that they have found. In a lot of cases they do not know if it is
a man or a monkey. There are times when half the so called experts will
say it is a monkey or an ape, the other half will say they think it is a
man." "The [fossil hominid] skulls are from men who lived
several hundreds of years old. The top of the head becomes longer and the
face leans back with age, creating a more apelike appearence. And they
were actually superior to us in lots of ways." "It says Cain was in the process of constructing a
city, it doesn't say there was people in it. Genesis isn't exhaustive, but
it doesn't say there was people in the city Cain was building." [After someone asks what the heck Cain was doing building
a 1-person city] "I don't know, I'll read more, but thats what it
says, maybe he was getting ready for people, he knew to be fruitful and
multiply. Besides somebody had to start building a city, he was building,
not completed building an empty city." *** Post of the Month for August 2003 *** "Now with all that out of the way; was BURNING
SODOMITES ALIVE, a loving thing?... YES. The BURNING ALIVE OF THE
SODOMITES WAS A LOVING THING!!! GOD is love, correct? If you don't believe
me, go read 1 John right now... So when HE burns alive all the Sodomites
the core of that action is love. YES, tough love, but none the less
love." "Yes, Miss 'A', the burning of the sodomites was a
violent act. GOD sometimes is violent (see the flood in Gen.). This is
what I'm trying to get at. We have made GOD into a Dancing Bunny that just
sits up in heaven bouncing and dancing and throwing candy all around HIM.
Uhhh, you obviously got the wrong concept! " "I think one of the reasons why Christians are so
'obsessed' with this subject is because their agenda is being shoved down
our throats. They want to be recognized as equals as far as man and wife
are concerned and that goes against God's Word." "1. I'm not as preoccupied by homoSEXuality, as I am
THE LACK AND ABSENCE OF THE WRATH OF GOD in our modern day Church. "I can kind of see where you are coming from.
However, this thread is titled, 'Burning Sodomites alive, a loving
thing?'. And I made it very clear that I was speaking about GOD burning
sodomites, not JoJo, down the block. So I'm kind of confused where witches
and inquisition folk got in there?" "How is it that there are so many happy, joyous, and
fufilled nuns in the world? These women have given up freedom,
possessions, children, and marraige, and yet, they are joyful... Does this
speak to any athiests in support of the existence of God? If not, to what
do you attribute their happiness?" "I feel sorry about your (apparent) lack of
intelligence... But that is not the point of this thread. You have still
evaded the question -- Why are sisters happy?" "Well, if it makes you feel any better, the god in
question might have chosen those numbers [in the lottery] on the basis of
who he wanted to win the large runner-up prize. After all, every choice
has a certain amount of by-product effect." "According to my theology, the gods' primary
influence on the world is chance events. And what's more of a chance event
than gambling? Therefore, each god must strive very hard to be the one who
controls the state lotteries, and even standard casino gambling must be
valuable." "Hey, why mess around with religion, politics, the
weather, and the populations of small animals (all of which are also
excellent ways for the gods to influence the world) when you can just
decide which numbers come up in the lottery? But anything that valuable
must be a highly coveted commodity, so any given god doesn't control the
lottery all the time. In this vein, it seems strange that Yahweh would
forbid gambling. I think the likely explanation is that that was a
non-inspired mistake in the Bible--an imperfection not put in by Yahweh at
all. " "Creation Science is not supposed to be
'intellectually honest' because it is not based on fallible human
intellect. God is above and beyond logic and reason." "Hell is a lake of fire. There are no shores, no
islands, no way out. The fires are real and eternal. It never stops
burning. The pain never goes away. People will never get used to it." [After a gay man is elected Bishop] "In my eyes, the
Episcopal church has declared they HATE God. Its an all out denial of
God's diety. Whats next, clergy that openly rape and murder?" "Many times God warns us about homosexuality. In
Romans chapter one, God ... removes the restraint of evil: allowing them
to sink to depths of depravity previously denied to them. If this man
is unrepentant, there is no evil he will not do!" "The burden of proof falls on those (you) who accuse
(or suggest) that the Gospels are not truthful." "i believe in survival of the fittest, not evolution.
all of the recent findings of pre homo-sapians have been disproved with
the findings of dna, proving that that they had mixed a couple of bone
fragments from different species." "Actually, newer findings are showing that the theory
of man evolving from ape is now probably false. Now that we can examine
DNA, they are finding that they have mixed bones that were fossilized near
each other thousands of years ago and created the illusion that they
belonged together while in reality the bones belonged to different
species." "it is completely absurd to to think that a single
cell, by chance can turn into a complex organism such as a human being...
how likely is that really? it is so absurd. that anyone could ever believe
that" *** Honorary Doublethink Award *** "God saves people of all beliefs, if they repent and
accept Christ as their savior. Their spiritual beliefs are of no
consequence...." "I believe homosexuality is actually demon
possesion. "It doesnt really matter what YOU believe. God said
it...Thats it......." "It seems satan is speaking thru you. Trying to get
someone to question their beliefs." "You and your cohorts may have convinced yourselves
that evolution is fact and in believing, you prop up your godless view of
the universe which is really what this is all about, isn't it? You hate
God and you hate anyone who loves Him." "Satan is the father of rebellion and he is your
father as well. I am not trying to insult you, I am just stating a fact.
Just because you do not accept it as fact does not change the temperature
of Hell by one degree." "He didn't mean for us to make a god of 'thinking' as
you have apparently done for yourself." "I'm going to disagree with you. I don't think that
they [Adam and Eve] didn't know right from wrong, but rather they didn't
know good from evil." "Nothing you can say will change my mind on the issue
of creation vs. evolution, though, so if that is your goal and not simply
to share information, save your efforts for something else." "Same goes for me though, no matter what science has
come up with or will come up with, I know that we did not come from some
bacteria slug swimming in primordial soup." "I've had many debates with atheists that flat-out
told me that they had never read Darwin completely (at least they were
honest!). Fewer yet have read it more than once. This being their 'bible',
you'd think that they would..." "We Do Need To Get Busy Casting Spirits Out. It Seems
As Though They Are Running Wild. There Will Always Be Skeptics Among Us.
Some Can Even See What We See And Still Be Skeptics. It Is Sad But
True." "Also keep in mind that when there are explosions,
light and debris travel faster than they normally do." "There is more evidence for creation. The people
proposing the theories for creation are more trustworthy than the people
proposing evolutionary theories. T[heory]o[f]E[volution] is untenable. The
theory isn't based in scientific proof. It is based on guesses from biased
people." *** Honorable Mention (from a website, not a forum) *** "God defeated armies of Philistines and others with
confusion. Dimpled and hanging chads may also be because of God's
intervention on those who were voting incorrectly. Why is GW Bush our
president? It was God's choice." "Well in science there is a rule called Occam's Razor
which, roughly translated, means one shouldn't contrive complex and
unneccesary explanations. The explanation that presents appear on
Christmas morning because of Santa is one such explanation. The
explanation that God is the cause of existence is not one such
explanation." "... i mean, i guess to me, when an atheist says
there's not enough proof for them to believe, it amazes me with all the
proof of how the Bible came to be that they still have doubt!" "Let's look at biology. The male and the female are
designed tio have sexual intercourse with each other for the sake of
procreation. Two males or two females cannot procreate, thus there is no
sexual bond or activity, thus unnatural acts." "Now to humanity. Unlike animals, we have feelings
and emotions." "Even if a man and a woman do not want children,
99.9999999% still have sex with each other. Thus marriage=sexual
union." "Marriage is a bond of love and unifying sexual
union. Two gays cannot have this, because there is no sexual union between
two people, there is no procreation, or the sembelence thereof." "A gay person CANNOT have sex. How do two men have
sex? One sticking his {graphic detail deleted}? Is this sex? No. Why?
Because ... [the structures involved] were not designed for this." "Oral pleasure is simply masterbation between two
people... Ergo, it is IMPOSSIBLE for two women to have sex with each
other, it just cannot be done. All they can do is to masterbate each
other." "A union is between a man and a woman only. If the
USA legalizes marriage between two men and two women, what is next,
polygamy? Marriage to animals? Marriage to children? What's next?" "We choose our sexual orientation. People are not
born gay, alcoholic, or drug addicted. This is a choice that we have made
during a period of our lives. Most gays choose this orientation after they
reach puberty." "The homosexual movement wants to perpetuate the lie
that being gay is normal, and it is genetic, because the movement needs
new people to replace the overwhelming amount of homosexuals who kill
themselves or die from disease..." "... and yes, male gays do molest the vast majority
of children..." "I am very much against gay marriage, and
homosexuality in general. The original poster (OP) placed some arguments
on the table which seem rational, but are truly irrational, dangerous and
stupid." "I oppose the Gay Rights Movement because their
political agenda undermines family values and recruits young proteges into
the depraved livestyle." "One of you linked to this S.A.L. list of over one-thousand Bible discrepancies/errors... I just laughed! I'm not even close to what one would consider a scholar in this field and I'm aware of over 31,000 (!!) 'discrepancies'... Hence, I'm afraid that those of you mounting the
'Bible-error-horse' are, relatively speaking, in pre-Kindergarden insofar
as this topic is concerned. There's no nice way to put it, you are
clueless as to the extent of this topic and the studies that are behind
it. "Specifically, you guys are up to around 1,000
alleged 'problems'. I (nowhere near being a full-fledged scholar in the
subject) am up to 31,000. Yes, I would have to say that compared to even
one as lowly as me you guys are in pre-kindergarden in this subject.
Anyone that is objective and honest would have to agree with this
statement." [Replying to 'But your post is so insulting and arrogant
that any real discussion is unlikely to occur.'] "Answer me this, if the Bible contradictions
represent such a clear proof of its unworthiness, then why is it that
scholars on both sides of the fence continue spending entires lives
investigating the matter? You don't see anyone spending their life
investigating the phlogiston theory or the blood humors theory any more,
do you?" "Maybe you read my original post. In it I said that
my studies have made me aware of over 31,000 alleged problems in
the Bible (instead of just the paltry 1,000 or so that are listed at some
Bible-scoffing site). My point is this: suppose I were to respond to your
question with my utmost ability and using all of my research notes. Guess
what would come next? Here are three possibilities: [To another Christian] "You really think so, don't
you? [Some might want] 'Sincere answers' on Bible discrepancies from an
'Infidel' site? Lessee, next time I have a question on my automobile
transmission, I'll go to a foot specialist... yeah... that'll be the
perfect place! Please excuse the sarcasm, Haran, but you do see where your
comment leads to, don't you?" *** 'Most Edumacated Creationist' Trophy *** "Although Evolutionists will tell you with a straight
face that an elephant mated with a mouse and a bald eagle was born, there
has never been a case of different animals mating with each other, despite
the fact of millions upon millions of different species." "My example about the elephant & the mouse was
just a point I was trying to make, to show the folly of this religion
Evolution." "Unlike Evolution, Creation can be demonstrated &
observed, as the following examples taken from The Book of Genesis depict.
'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground....'" "I'd rather believe I was created (which I do
believe) before I make some crazy statement that I was evolved from a
monkey or any other mammal." "I would not even consider that I was evolved from a
lower species. No way." "Emotion? Even if emotion is there logic is right
there beside it. Evolutionists have yet to prove this (and I mean display
an chimp, monkey whatever I don't which they use) and show me the animal
evolving into a human." "The Bible sets the standard as to what is true and
what is false. People tend to get it backwards and think that the Bible
has to live up to the standard science sets, when in reality, in the real
world, science has to live up to the standard that the Bible sets. If
science wants to make a claim to be true, then they have to stand the word
test. Their so called 'truth' has to line up with God's divine truth that
we find in our Bible." "I've heard that evolution is still going on but yet
no one can explain why humans have stopped evolving from animals." [Replying to '... if you faced a bear unarmed what
do you think would happen?'] *** 'Falsifiability in Theism' Prize *** "First response, I'm not an animal. Secondly, I have
the Holy Spirit with me and My Father God and the Lord Jesus Christ are
watching over me. So I won't lose my life to some bear." "You can....once you are saved....scream, holler and
try to escape all you want....but you are still a slave to Jesus
Christ...and cannot escape Him. The ultimate slave master.....with ZERO
escapes on His record... Our prisons should take notes from Him." "Soon people who may now be skeptical of the
acceptance and not fully understand that G-d says 'No you cannot be
homosexual' will soon accept it because this gay bishop is a such a kind,
good and nice man. This is the ultimate tool of deceit. People will soon
be asking how could a just G-d not accept his wonderfully nice and loving
man? Then hundreds more are caught up in the trap of deceit." "However, there is no evidence for evolution (most
scientists agree its an outdated and erroneous theory and will tell you as
much in private, but not in public), so he [Kent Hovind] won't be
paying the $250M to anyone anyway." "Natural evidence cannot disprove the Bible's
inspiration--that's silly." "I live in an area rife with superstition, and people
are so sure that superstitious junk is just so true! I have not one single
superstitious bone in my body, but my daughter does. I spilled salt one
time and she was freaking 'hurry and toss some over your shoulder!'. I
asked her why, is the salt fairy gonna get me?" "Superstitions are mostly people who are uneducated
and fearful. In my experience anyway. It goes deep here, cause of the
local Native American lores too. What I do not understand is those who
claim to be Christian, being superstitious. There are no salt fairies, no
malevolent, or nice force that does things for or against you at the whim
of nothing other than a person sees a black cat, walks on a crack in a
sidewalk or you accidentally knock the salt over. Jesus came to free us
from the bondage of man made junk and to show us that the only one who is
out there for us is God." "Can anyone tell this is a pet peeve of mine? My
sister-in-law is a wonderful and decent loving person who drives me crazy
with superstitions. I have friends that will do anything for you... but if
one superstition rears it's ugly head, they are hiding and running form
'curses' and junk, living in bondage to fear and rules. Superstition keeps
people in fear and chained to do's and don'ts that accomplish and profit
nothing but servitude to ignorance." "The Bible does happen to be the most advanced moral
code of it's time, whenever that time is. Pick a time and you can compare
moral codes, and the Bible's is superior. For example, the Hammurabi creed
of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is in the Old Testament, but for
manslaughter, instead of killing the offender, he is allowed to live
safely." [Replying to 'God will kill those who hate him, Deuteronomy
7:10'] "dude you have your facts confused "*laughs as u die and find urself burning everlasting
in hell* dont' mean 2 b rude but the BIBLE is what I believe in and I have
faith in God at least I have faith insomething not some silly
experiments" "yea If u believe in evolution u will go 2 hell
meaning u don't believe in God and that Jesus died 4 u meaning u go 2 Hell
If ur a creationist u are most likely going 2 heaven" "... man should never take other ppl's lives in their
own hands unless God told them to do it." "...the only way for me to prove evolution is false
is to get you to believe in the Bible..." "The Bible is from our Lords understanding and
knowledge. If we can't fit the Bible and science together then it means
that science is wrong, since the Bible is NEVER wrong!" "Considering that the Bible was written by someone
who was there when the the world was made (in fact, He made the world), I
find that far more reliable than the philosophically biased statements of
people who want to make the Creator obsolete." "As far as Hovind not being a Dr., what if I were to
have a BA. degree from a non accredited college in electronics??? Would
that be a real degree or not??? HMMMM??? It does not matter where someone
gets a degree wether it was correspondance or not, so just deal with
it." "This entire board is a rebellion against God,
whether you realize it or not." "Hmm...not the conclusion I would draw. The 'story'
[about people burning in a lake of fire] shows that God wants to be
obeyed, I agree with that. I don't see fear." "The difference between God and Santa is that God is
real." "God made the world and then he made scientist.Should
the thing He created question the creator?Everything in this world was
created by God .It just took man awhile to make a computor.But the
makeings of it has been here since the begining.If we are so smart why
don't the scientist come up with a formular to make more land? we are
running out of space.Nowhere in the bible do I see the word
Evolution." "Very few white women have AIDS, but I am sure this
is going to change if they become more and more sexually immoral. The
sinful lifestyle is the main reason for most of the spread of AIDS. God
warned us all...." "As far as it being a scientific text book for his
heard, I would like to remind you that the plague was brought under
control by the use of Scripture. I would also like to remind you that the
Bible tells us that SIN is passed down by the Fathers. Is this a
simplified statement for Hereditary conditions??" "In any case, homosexuality is a disease. Therefore,
I suppose it is 'ok' to be a {slur}, since there's no cure for it at this
point. However, I voted 'NO' to show my disapproval for the
lifestyle." "THis Hawking guy sounds like a complete bufoon.
Sorry, just an opinion" "And quite frankly, Secular Humanism is sooo
yesterday." [On a school for gay students] "Good, that
means the normal kids won't have to be around the {slur}." "They have a right to life until they violate one of
God’s laws that requires capital punishment. Simple unbelief doesn’t
fall under it. But they couldn’t vote, run for or hold office nor
slander and defame YHWH in print or over the airwaves. Things of that
nature." "I think bees exist and flowers exist and it is quite
lovely that bees can make honey from netur and I think that is the way God
made it and I do not believe in some intermidiate bee or flower or
nottin." "That gives me another idea! I need a few more copies
[of the RaptureReady book] to put in each of the kids rooms. They all
think I am nuts. They will need them after the raptue." [On the Book of Enoch] "16. And they become
pregnant by them [fallen angels] and bo[re (great) giants three thousand
cubits high ...]' "Why not [giants 3000 cubits high]?...do you really
believe God created a puny Earth?..A puny Adam/Eve? They dig up people
that are ten feet tall all the time.. look at the best built men on the
face of the earth that we have right now..they are puny compared to
Adam..look at our trees..they are puny compared to the first trees God
created.. When God created this world the life in it was gigantic.. from
the plants, to the animals.. to the humans.." "But a mile tall? come on. There is now way. 9 cubits
and 3000 cubits are a huge difference. We have to use some bit of common
sense here. The flood would not have killed someone a mile tall they could
just go and stand on the mountain. This just does not make any sense at
all." "Not so BHiles. It says the flood was very far above
ALL the mountains. Not impossible." "I really don't think this is a book we were intended
to study. I think God has complete and total control over what is included
and not included in His Word(The Bible). If this book were meant for us to
study, it would have been in the Scriptures to begin with." *** Post of the Week for August 17-23, 2003 *** "Are kids named Christopher or Michael attacked
more by Satan? "I'm named after King David. I do get attacked by
satan. But I don't think they're related events." "WHAT !!???? My name is Michael Christopher Mullin
!!! i really do feel oppressed and troubled - always have!. i generally
don't buy into coincidences but this one is wierd. i think their could be
some truth to this. if you could have seen some of the almost unnatural
things i have been through you would agree with this! wierd!!." "From what I've read it will get much, much
worse--beastiality, and then the ultimate degradation, sex with the dead.
I believe that is called necromancy." *** 'Wanna Buy the Brooklyn Bridge?' Prize *** "well, we have had people in our church having their
cavities [supernaturally] filled with silver/gold when there was an
annointing for healings." "I'm kinda with Andrew on this. At my church people
have had teeth filled with gold while being prayed for at the alter. I
told God that if He decided to do that to me I would prefer 'real' teeth
please." "I don't think it is any stretch of the imagination
to think that God could have created the oil deposits in the process of
making earth." "No at all, it deviates from what God's word says. My
advice READ YOUR BIBLE MORE OFTEN and LESS of that EVOLUTIONARY B.S." "Don't worry [about the legislature], there is a new
government coming. Christ will rule and reign here on earth for 1000
years. We should not put to much confindence in man's attempt to establish
a government." "I[ntelligent]D[esign] makes perfect sense. It sure
makes more sense than the religious fairy tales evolution tells. I am glad
to see this and I hope more states follow the same." "If God wants to create birds with [deactivated genes
for reptilian] teeth it is His choice I am sure. If you want to know how
old the earth is, do the geneology in Genesis. It really is not hard to
do." "Your picture shows a very young man, fresh out of
secular school no doubt who has been indoctrinated by the best
religionists the government has to offer." "First of all talk origins is the most pathetic anti
God site on the net. Second. YOu know 'micro-evolution' is not the issue.
There are obvious variations within species. Never ever ever though has
macro, cosmic, stellar, etc. evolution been observed." "LOL you are funny. God's word always 'jives' with
reality. Evolution never jives. So you believe you came from a rock I see.
Hummmm reality???" "I hate it when people put all their trust in
unproven theory without questioning anything. This is how folks turn into
atheists." "So let me get this straight. You think that in this
world of big money that there would be no reason for anyone to 'distort'
the facts and that they couldnt even if they wanted to because their
'peers' would catch them anyway?" "I've listened to many messages and debates by Kent
Hovind. He's a crusader of truth regarding the way evolution is a religion
for the anti-God establishment." "As for Occam's Razor, it 'proves' creation, being
the simpler explanation. Huh? God created the world. Four words. Life
evolved from carbon by pure chance. Seven words." "I've been thinking about this a lot lately. NO we
didn't have these things [plumbing, refrigeration, etc.] a 100 years ago.
But think about it....since we have all these things it has taken us away
from time alone with the Lord, studying His word, praying, etc. Not all
progress it good for the soul." "gay marriage is an abomination. I wonder how many of
you criticizing the vatican actually even go to church. Liberals are so
closed minded..." "but i prayed for him [my dad] right after he
left that the belt wouldn't break while he was out on the highway
because... the car would overheat and ya'd have a hard time steering and
turning and what not...but RIGHT before he got home just a coule minutes
away from home i should say,it broke...and he said thank God the Lord
blessed him to get back safely...the auto parts place is like a mile away
so all he has to do is walk to go pick it up which i thinking he's alreayd
did...isn't it amazing how God works? ^_^" "...my dad was riding somewhere with a buisness buddy
today... all my dad got was a bruised/cracked/broken rib... but i want you
to pray for him that hell heal up soon...Lord knows i am...he could've
been killed today,but he wasn't and was looked out for by God." *** Winstonjen's Irony Overdose Award *** "we ARE pitiful and weak, and can't do anything on
our own. Compared to God at least. Another thing, why do you people have
to bring anyone down who tries to post something positive, and hopefully
uplifting? Are you gothic or something? Don't you like being happy?" "...why did God have to send a flood, it makes sense,
if man is getting so advanced for their own good, and you see some of this
today, weapons of mass destruction, before something like total
anhialation etc happened God interfered." "I'm not sure what you're asking, but dinosaurs are
nothing more than BIG lizards. Did you know that most reptiles NEVER stop
growing? They continue to grow up until they die... Dinosaurs were (and
still are) around with man until they stopped growing so big due to the
probable change in environment post-flood (as seen by the decreasing life
spans of man)." "People ask, oh yeah, why aren't the [dinosaurs]
around today? Well, let me ask you this, if you built a town in a grizzly
bear infested area of Alaska today, how long do you thing the bears would
last? It's the same with the dinosaurs, if they were a threat, they would
be hunted down and killed. " "Also Dinosaurs didn't disappear. Thier are still
some left hear on the earth and probaly some in the United States
too." "I know that scientists are smart and all, but I do
not fully believe they can tell how old something is. various conditions
can throw timing off just as god intended." "Those rocks probably been melted a million times
before God decided he like the way the Earth looked." "My boyfriend states that they [dinosaurs] do
not exist and he does not believe that they ever did." "Well I went out to eat with my boyfriend last night
and I presented the question to him 'why exactly do you not believe in
dinasaurs'? He stated because he does not understand why God would make
something just to turn around and destroy it." "They just died in the flood, ( good for us they
couldn't fit in the ark) They would have multiplied just like humans and
that just wouldn't work right...What I just don't know is why God created
them in the first place" "The evolutionists don't want to admit to it, I
encourage all of you to question evolution and not herd along with it like
'everyone else' it has flaws, check them out." "I believe that In the early 'days' of creation he
created dinosaurs and they had become extinct before he created man. I
believe he was letting the earth ripen so to speak to be ready for
inhabitation by man. Now because of the dinosaurs of a million years ago
we now have fossil fuels at our disposal." "Also I read through genealogy in Genesis and I
tracked the flood to 2556 BC and Adam's birth or when he was created to
4112 BC. Now this is 100% accurate because I followed the dates and years
listed in the bible, and the bible isn't wrong..." "The Shroud [of Turin] is also contrary to the
Bible, which says that Jesus was 'bound ... in wrappings (plural)...
Shroud proponents can explain this away all they want, but the Bible
should be used to judge claimed artefacts; not the artefacts used to judge
the Bible." "It [abortion] would be destruction of
another's property, which IS a crime in all states if my law is correct.
No one owns their body. God owns their body. So destroying the impregnated
egg is destroying someone's property that isn't yours, and that is wrong
because God might have wanted a person to be born by the mother." "And we pipe trash like Harry Potter, Charmed, Buffy,
Will and Grace and other such garbage into our homes for our kids to
watch. We endorse homosexuality and divorce like it's a choice that God
and other Christians will just have to get used to- Just ignore what the
Bible says about it." "Many women have their hair cut short for ease of
care (selfish reasons) and it is so short it violates God's commands about
women's hair." "If you are unable to recogize the moral decline
which is occuring in the US you are truly debauched." "You, obviously, don't know God's Word, the Bible.
The Bible NEVER condemns slavery; there are many commands against
fornication." "Really?? Where are God's commands against slavery?
Would you like a list of God's commands against fornication? Do you have
room on your hard drive?" *** Post of the Week for August 10-16, 2003 *** "Most of those bought and sold [as slaves] were
probably NOT God's children. One must remember that they came from Africa
that is full of false religions. Only those who have placed their faith in
Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour are God's children." "Yes, only those who place their faith in Jesus
Christ as their personal Saviour are God's children. I agree with you
there. And if even one of those slaves was a child of God, no MAN had the
right then (or now) to 'use' them." "One should love their slave" "I'm not here for your approval, and I already have
God's approval." "Believe it. I said it, and I stand by it." "No further proof is needed. The earth and all of the
universe were created in six, 24-hour days." "There is no question that [Stephen] Hawking's
is a brillant man. The question then is, did he use what God gave him to
honor or glorify God or not? Most people I believe would say that
Hawking's does nothing to honor God... No one objects to Hawking's
thinking. Nor do they think his ourward appearance has any connection to
his thinking. But that is not what the Bible says: 'as a man thinketh in
his heart, so is he'." "Well either he [Hawking] is the innocent victom of a
ravaging disease, or he is not so innocent. Are you here to defend his
innocence and purity? Do you feel he has done nothing wrong and that he is
in no way to blame for the condition that he finds himself in?" "You just don't get it do you. Your only judging your
own heart not mine. You are not even able to judge my heart." *** Post of the Week for August 3-9, 2003 *** "We know that lepersy is a type of sin. We also
believe that cancer today is a type of sin." "now if you asked Jesus to watch tv with you,i
believe He would.many a time was watching m.a.s.h. and Jesus and i
laughed..." "No, I would not vote for an atheist. It is sin as
God requires, just men who will rule in the fear of God to sit in the
seats of Justice." "Normally it's only the Christians who are expected
to keep their religious views out of politics, while atheist always bring
in their own religious views." "Maybe God told other men to build similar arks
around the world and contain all of the local wildlife on many arks rather
than every animal on the Earth on one ark." "I wonder is anyone interested in discussing science
in here. I dont think I'll get any argument that science is a human
invention, even though it is worshiped and served like a pagan god." "No, not blood sacrifices. The sacrifices that are
made to science are soul sacrifices. Those that want to embrace
'scientific wisdom' and shun the wisdom of the One who made our puny minds
is perishing in their own wisdom. That my freind is sad." "That is how it came to be in the place of God as the
source of wisdom and knowledge. Just as the Children of Israel fashioned a
golden calf saying this is the god that delivered you out of Egypt, [info here--Ed.]
is given the credit for leading Western Civilization out of the Dark
Ages." "I think you've seen Jurassic Park too many times
(and I do love that movie). Who are you to say that T-Rex ate meat of
plants? Have you feed one?" "A priori reasoning isn't empirical either, but it
does tell me that something cannot come from nothing. So on that, it it
hard for me to think that Darwinian evolution is true." *** 'Your ToS Would Ban Jesus' Award *** "Christianity.com prohibits the exercise of prophecy,
'words of knowledge', speaking in tongues..., as well as casting out
demons, within the Christianity.com community. " "I think your giving science credit for a bit more
than what they are responsable for. People got along just fine before
science came along. Esp. if they lived for God and He blessed them with
health and a long life." "If you add up how many people die from weapons of
mass destruction, a gift from science. Or how many people die from
perscription drugs, again a gift from science. So who is to say without
the contribution of science more people would not live a longer
life." "Interesting that you think 'science' gave us
agriculture. If your going to make the claim, then perhaps you would like
to present your evidence. It was actually religion that gave us
agriculture because it was the priests who came up with the first
calanders that really made it possible." "And yes you are right, I don't know enough yet. I
have a good start, but no, I don't know enought yet to wage all out war on
evolution. That's why I said I'd be back. I'm going to learn more,
research more, read more, write more, shread the paper apart myself,
re-write, reinforce and then do it all over again until I have a case good
enough to stump you. You want to know how hard this Imperial Smackdown
will be? If I can do all I set out to do, it's going to rock the very
foundations of Darwin's theory. Creation is the true story, I know that,
and I know because it is true, there is proof for it, I just need to find
that proof, and I fully intent to." "What exactly do I have now [to falsify evolution
with].... I have an interest, 5 pages of a paper done, 2 DVDs, 6 books,
about 100 websites, and a 1" binder loaded with evolutionary
comebacks. I'm getting more all the time. Do you want to know why I am
confident? It's called faith, faith in God." "I 'know' [the Bible is true] because I am
here and I am living. There is no way in heck something as complex as a
human was created by a big bang (no one knows were the matter for that
came from), Abiogenesis (big deal, they made amino acids), and random
mutations (which are 99.9% of the time harmful). Go to
AnwersInGenesis.org. They are the leading Creationist scientists and their
site is full of evidance." "Yes, so I'm one of many. Maybe I will fail, but if I
can stump the evolutionist community just once with a new peice of
evidance for Creation, it will have been worth it. It may take the very
return of Jesus before you nuts get the idea. But until then, I will work
to distroy the lie." "Einstein's disciple Prof Lincoln Barnett said: 'We
cannot feel or motion through space. Nor has any experiment actually
proved that the Earth is in motion!'. If you say that Geocentricity is
'silly', then you have to say that Einstein (and Mach and Barnett) are
also 'silly'!" "The equations & physics used by NASA to launch
satellites & interplanetary probes are identical to the equations
derived from a geocentric universe. All are planned & executed on the
basis of a FIXED EARTH! They do not use the Copernican System! You can
confirm this with them & the National Oceanic & Atmospheric
Administration in Washington DC!" *** 'Your God Would be Proud' Prize *** "Ron Wyatt is a Seventh-Day Adventist! Or should I
say was. He is dead now, thank goodness." [Replying to 'You should be ashamed'] "Why, you
believe Ron Wyatt's 'discoveries' are the real thing?" "Die hard envrionmentalists don't want to hear something like this. The br |