Fundies Say the Darndest Things! January 2003 Edition
Last Updated April 23, 2003



"There is no stereotyping of atheists here. All atheists are bad, have a desire to make people negate their obligation to the laws of God, and work toward the moral destruction of a nation." - Citizens for the Ten Commandments


"A Christian is by definition, a follower of Christ. Christ never preached evolution."
- BibleReader1611, CreationTalk


"I also believe he will be our last prez., before the rapture. I have allready had dream's of a state of emergency in this country and in that dream, it started in Florida. Our constitution was gone. Lot's of civil unrest, with all our right's gone. It was just a dream, but it a cured many times and felt so real. Edit to add, it was the EU army in Florida. I live in Montana."
- Hi Hopes, RaptureReady


"In agreement with you both Militia1 and Hi Hopes.I dreamt of an EU army here too hunting people down like dogs.This was 6 years ago and nothing like that was even a remote threat that I knew of.So yes I agree"
- colleenkay, RaptureReady


"this is creepy,
its is all the more reason why the american militia is key t protecing our freedom.....we cannot rely onour armed forces or police for it......
but above all, our ultimate protection is from God,
but ight below that is the American Militia
it makes since that an invasion would occur in florida
but i'll let yall comment on that"
- Militia1, RaptureReady


"They tried to tie McVeigh into the American Militia, when in fact he was part of an Islamic plot."
- rainbow77, RaptureReady 


"I'm so angry right now. I was doing some searches for "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" on Kazaa, and all that kept coming up was porn! I'm so shocked that Kazaa actually swaps porn! Later on, I was board, so I just searched for "A" to see what would come up. Lo and behold, there's some rap and college papers, but the most stuff that pops up is porn! I search for "B", then "C", then "D" then "E", and for everyone one of those letters I searched for, porn was always the most stuff that came up.

Crap like this makes me sick .

You KNOW we're in the end times when stuff like this happens."
- CaptainRoboT2, RaptureReady


"As for Mohammed, I'm not even going to start.
Here's the math;

one mohammed + pyote + cave=

Answer: strange hallucinations, and a book"
- Rebuker of Hatred, PayableOnDeath BBS


"i dont think mohammed was on any drugs at all - he was just decieved by a demon posing as an angel"
- Gerrard Pedersen, PayableOnDeath BBS


"I was tying Mohammid to all the other dreamed up and demon inspired cults. Sorry I wasn't clear with that!"
- Rebuker of Hatred, PayableOnDeath BBS


"I just read yesterday in a great book on rearing children, that if you never say NO to a child, eventually they will become a murderer, rapist or both. Children are not naturally nice. They are naturally needy and selfish.

Children must be raised by their parents in a Godly household...."
- architectlink, RaptureReady


"I think that most Christians either do not believe in demons or have no clue that they can possess someone. We are apparently more "enlightened" than the dark ages when such things were believed. We attribute these manifestations to only in movies or only in the mind of the tortured individual. In this way we sort of give more power to the demons than we should because of this huge mis-understanding."
- nancyjean, RaptureReady


"The atheist and humanist roots and orientation of psychiatry are wide and deep. . . no wonder they wouldn't see a possession."
- Sid, RaptureReady


"I agree that ID has an unfair advantage, but this is simply because the evidence is in it's favor, for example, we don't rely on "unknown steps" or "future theories" as evidence for our theory. We rely on the data."
- Nelson Alonso, ARN Discussion Forum


[Replying to 'why should we say goddidit if we don't have an explanation?'] "Thats what I think should be done, this is why sciences like archaeology thrives, they don't say "we don't know yet" just because they can't find a natural explanation for a particular system"
- Nelson Alonso, ARN Discussion Forum


"I don't think you understand just how little importance God places on our position in this life. It doesn't matter to God if someone is a slave in this life (and in some cases it may be beneficial for them as someone mentioned above). What matters to God is what we do with our means, not what we do to improve them."
- Rize, ChristianForums


"people should have no right to be gay...
and if you dont like our govt, get the hell out who is forcing you to stay here...
if outlawing premartial sex is going to cure a disease that is or well was on the verge of becomming a plague then im all for it"
- fizzly, BlizzForums


[On a pornography store near a church] "It would be such a shame if that store "accidentally" had a bunch of gas spilled on it, and then someone "accidentally" dropped a match or something."
- mamacags, RaptureReady


"and evolution, ha, any theory that it's originator denounced is obviously false. if you don't know about that, don't even bother replying. energy=matter, ha, that kind of goes against Einstien, doesn't it."
- tom54, PayableOnDeath BBS


"No atheist has come up for a satisfactory answer of why the world exists in the first place if there isn't a God.
Secondly no atheist has successfully proved that the resurrection Jesus Christ hasn't happened."
- nicola, Christian Cambridge Message Boards


"I think that "conspiracies" just may be demonic forces at work.

Like being able to play "Stairway to Heaven" backwards and getting messages. It wasn't put in there after they recorded it forwards... because the same thing happens with recorded live concerts. It's demonic power."
- Lorren, RaptureReady


"By the way, I forgot to mention I was talking about the back of the US 1 Dollar bill here...

On the back where the pyramid is (common masonry symbology) there are 5 words. ANNUIT, COEPTIS... And below the pyramid NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.

Draw a line from the A of ANNUIT to the last O in ORDO, then draw another line from the A in ANNUIT to the M in SECLORUM. Now draw a line from the S in COEPTIS to the N in NOVUS, then from the S in COEPTIS to the last O in ORDO. Finally draw a line from the N in NOVUS to the M in SECLORUM.

Now you have the common symbol of the goats head with a circle around it. Also known as a pentagram. And the letters that begin and end each point to construct this symbol spell "MASON."

No, there's no such things as conspiracies."
- JitsuGuy, RaptureReady


"While I think some homos develop their homosexuality over the years, the majority are probably born that way. It's just like Down's Syndrome."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"A celibate homosexual (if such a thing exists, homosexuals have sex on the brain 24/7) is unnatural. It isn't the action that determines whether you're normal, it's the desire."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"That stereotype is not stupid, it's absolutely true. Sure, there's a few homos who don't have sex on the brain 24/7, but the VAST VAST majority do. That stereotype is valid."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I believe homosexuals have sex on the brain 24/7 because of the way they are portrayed in the national media. The national media is very liberal, and hence "pro-gay." In my opinion, it always seems that gays are whining about something just because they're gay. Straight people don't whine because they're straight, the issue never even comes up. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that they behave in that fashion."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Also, some reporter didn't come on and say: News Flash - Gays Obsessed with Sex. My statement is based on my impression of homosexuals as portrayed on TV.

Finally, quit mouthing off about stereotypes. How many times must I repeat this? Without making stereotypes you can't come to any conclusions about anything. People who say "don't stereotype" are fucking retards who don't know what they're talking about and are just repeating back the politically correct line."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"The reason my argument holds for homosexuals and not for left-handed people is because homosexuality is obviously not the natural way of things."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"omg, gays adopting kids.. that's just so wrong. Being a faggot automatically disqualifies you from being an adequate parent. What happens when it's time for the sex talk? "Ok Johnny, when you want to start inviting other little boys over to the house..." Gimme a break. If your a homo, do the world a favor and don't try to raise a child."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"There must be something wrong with homosexuals, most likely a genetic flaw. I see it as a disease, and until we learn more about what causes it, how to cure it, and whether or not it's "contagious" we should hold off on allowing those people to parent a child."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I agree that just like any demographic, there are good and bad homos. However, no one would argue that a retard should be able to adopt a child. The same logic applies. The only reason homosexuals want to adopt children is to use it as an issue; it isn't that they really care about the children. Once homosexuals adopting becomes an accepted practice, they will argue "since we can adopt like a married couple, why can't we get married?" That's the REAL issue."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Black children should be given to black families, and white children to white families, Chinese children to Chinese families etc. Cut the political correctness crap, and realize that there's a cultural difference between races."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I see no reason why white children should have to be raised by a black family. Black people have a different culture. They have “black” hair cuts (because their hair grows in different patterns from that of white people,) they talk “black,” they walk “black,” and they think “black.”"
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Actually, it's your view that has the indoctrination. They teach you kids in school that "we're all the same" "we're all people, just in different shades." That's a big bunch of bullshit. Each race is slightly different from each other, physically and genetically. Black people are inherently faster than white people because they have an extra muscle in their leg (evolved from centuries of catching wild prey in Africa). That's just one small example. So that line of shit "shave off a millimeter of skin and you can't tell the difference" is just that: a line of shit."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I haven’t said anything racist. In addition, I’m sick and tired of hearing everybody whine about stereotypes. WITHOUT STEREOTYPES YOU CANNOT CATEGORIZE OR EVALUATE ANYTHING AND YOU BECOME A MINDLESS DRONE. So yes, that does make you a brainwashed moron. "
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"You're damn right I question the views of liberals. In reality, it is you liberals who are the mindless drones. Just look at your arguments, or actually, you know what, I don't even see any arguments for why homos should be allowed to adopt. All you do is bitch about my "racist, homophobic, fundamentalist, asshole with a closed-mind" views. That's an Ad Hominum argument, which is a logical fallacy."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Homosexuality is a disorder, and homos should not be separated from society. They should be cared for like anyone else who suffers from an incurable genetic disorder. The problem is that they, and society as a whole does not admit that they are unnatural. How can we treat a disease and help those people, if we do not recognize that it is a disease? That's the problem with politically correct society. They're too busy trying not to offend anyone, and to accept everybody with open arms, that they overlook the fact that society could be improved if we weren't quite so accepting."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Homosexuality IS a genetic disorder. That's what you and other homo/bi sexuals along with the majority of society fail to acknowledge. It's just like Down's Syndrome, Retardation, Dyslexia... no one would argue that we should just leave those people go untreated. Homosexuality is something that scientists should be trying to cure."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I disagree. Gay people act GAY! It’s very easy to spot them, and I’m sure firedancer’s mother could walk down the street and identify the gay men with 95% accuracy. You can’t correctly assess whether or not you acted gay, since you don’t acknowledge the fact that gay people do act differently. Therefore, your conclusions are invalid."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Homosexuality is something that, in most cases, you are born with and you can’t help it. It’s unfair to blame them or treat them with disrespect just because they have a genetic defect. It’s like making fun of a retard. It’s totally wrong and unacceptable in society. Gays need to be cared for, and science needs to pursue a cure."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I suppose it's like alcoholism. The first step to getting cured is admitting that you have a problem. Unfortunately, there's no cure for homosexuality."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I dated a dyke for a while (actually I suppose she was bi...), in any case it was an interesting experience to say the least. I know that "gays are people too," and I respect them. I also feel sorry for them..."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I explained why it is a disease. All you do is repeat this statement with no facts."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"The vast vast majority of people are straight or gay from birth and stay that way. If only everyone was a little more homophobic this world would be a better place."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I can't help it if you're a brainwashed moron who can't think for himself, like my opponents in the other faggot thread.

The Loser:

Guys think about sex a lot. Gay guys think and talk about sex a LOT MORE. Homosexuals have a defect in their brain. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE GAY.

Tell me, is everyone on this forum a brainwashed imbisile that can't think for him or herself?"
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


*** Post of the Week for January 26-February 1, 2003 ***

[Replying to 'you can't cure homosexuality'] "This is a very short sighted statement. Pneumonia was a death sentence before 1940 when Penicillin came along. Maybe 20 years from now they'll have Homocillan; how do you know there's no way to eliminate homosexuality?"
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"The simple solution to that eventuality is to produce a "homosexuality vaccination" and require it for children before they can go to school, just like measles, polio etc."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Kenji, are you gay? You really need to shut up. There's no way on earth any intelligent person would tell their kid it's ok to be homosexual. There's a book "A parent's guide to preventing homosexuality." Now I'm sure it's a bullshit book, because homosexuality is genetic, but nonetheless, the civilized world understands that being homosexual is not natural. And I don't feel like celebrating my differences. I'm white and Christian, and I like it. If you're black and atheist and gay, fine with me. I'll still hire you if you're qualified, but I'm not going to celebrate with you."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"That would be the worst thing in the world if my kid turned against Christianity. However, my kid, being my kid, would never be stupid enough to reject God. To do so is ignorant."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I'm saying that since he's my child, he'll be smart enough not to reject God, as only an idiot would do that. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?"
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"People shouldn't be forced to watch that sickening garbage. Just like a homosexual wouldn't want to watch a naked woman in a movie, I don't want to see two fags make out. I'm glad to know that there are some other intelligent people in this world, and that stupidity only reigns supreme on this message board."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"How can science explain why things were created? And I don't accept other relgion's reasons for why because of problems I have with the other religions. If I don't believe what the rest of the religion says, why would I believe what it says about creation?"
- toomanyVoices, PayableOnDeath BBS


"How Ya'll doin',

If you are a Y[oung]E[earth]C[reationist] please post here and I'll put you on my buddy list/
I suggest you(we all) do the same.
We all need to unite in order to survive with all these evil evolutionists/atheists here..........."
- HectorMedina, ChristianForums


"And we have no need in this world greater then that of a Savior. Food and water are a distant second need. God's wrath is the scariest thing I can think of and the only way we can escape that is through Jesus Christ."
- inverter, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Some will say that I am being intolerant, and so be it! I will gladly be intolerant to a false religion."
- learboy, PayableOnDeath BBS


"I believe artificial methods of birth control are wrong. God gave us sex for 2 purposes only, to procreate and to deepen the love bond with our partners. Obviously, if we have sex in an unnatural way (i.e. contraception) then we are denying the ultimate purpose for sex, and that is to create new life."
- King Russ, PayableOnDeath BBS


[Replying to 'should we try to avert civilization-killing natural disasters?'] "no. i think god will protect us beacause the tribulation still has to come. when that happens i think there will be nothing we can do to stop disasters like meteors."
- punkrocker71, PayableOnDeath BBS


[On whether the Jews should get the Temple Mount in Jerusalem] "muslims don't got no say in this, God said so, and that is all that matters. He trumps the wants of the muslim clarics."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


[on Iraq] "The U.S. is not going to go in willy nilly and just start shooting civilians..and you know that. We never do that..."
- inverter, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Regarding the Antichrist: I believe (though I am not absolutely, 100% certain) that God has shown me, in several ways, who the Antichrist is. I believe King Juan Carlos of Spain is the Antichrist. I have several studies that I've done about him on floppy disk, but here is a webpage that has an article about him: King_Juan_Carlos.htm"
- Godsword, Planet Wisdom


[Replying to 'I'll have to forward this on to some of my spanish christian friends'] "Just so long as you don't forward it on to King Juan Carlos. Let him think he hasn't been found out, at least not yet."
- Godsword, Planet Wisdom


[After being told his claims were silly] "I hang my head in embarassed shame, wondering at how I could have been so blind and silly to have posted all that evidence about King Juan Carlos, or to have ever entertained the possibility that he might be the Antichrist. I am an embarassment to myself and Christians generally!! Woe is me!!"
- Godsword, Planet Wisdom


"While I do not claim with absolute certainty that King Juan Carlos is the Antichrist, I am very, very confident that he is. Of course, as I believe I've said here, and know that I've said elsewhere, should his son become king, his son would also qualify as the Antichrist (though not as 'strongly', it seems). If you would like to include some of the things that have been said about King Juan Carlos on your "[Fundies] Say the Darndest Things" website, may I recommend the following article about him? King Juan Carlos - Top Candidate for Antichrist."
- Godsword, Planet Wisdom


"By the way, Winace and ScientificAtheist, did either of you happen to see the Closing (or was that Opening?) Ceremonies of the 1992 Summer Olympics which were held in Barcelona, Spain? [They involved pagan mythology and Lucifer, dragons, etc. made an appearance] It was an eye-opener, let me tell you. I absolutely could not believe that the sports announcers could just sit there and not stand up and say, 'Ladies and Gentlemen, this spectacle is an utter abomination. May God forgive us all.'"
- Godsword, Planet Wisdom


"It is part of the Bible. It would have been removed if God had wanted it removed. I trust in God."
- DeeLeeKay, RaptureReady


"don't 'cha get it? if God didn't want the book of James in the Bible it simply would not be there. just like God didn't want humans to breathe underwater: no gills. simplistic, but completely logical. God put James in the Bible."
- Xtreme, RaptureReady


"Personally I think the "survival of the fittest" theory has done far more harm to civilized thinking than all the Popes put together. I think Hitler and Stalin used it to justify the slaughter of 50,000,000 people. I don't claim to have direct proof, my suspicions are as sound as those claiming Jesus was anti-semetic and Hitler was a Christian."
- Radorth, Internet Infidels


"And maybe one of the true believers can explain how some people 2000 years ago lived to be 100 on lousy diets and bad medicine, and some today die at 50 on good diets with good medicine. When does this natural selection process start to kick in anyway?"
- Radorth, Internet Infidels


"I wonder, can science really be trusted? One thing Christians know a lot about is their Bible. We know that a lot of so called scientists can not be trusted at all when it comes to their knowledge and understanding of the Bible. So how can we trust them in other areas that they want to offer us their opinion on?"
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


*** Post of the Month for January 2003 ***

"Slavery is ok, it is just that humans have become residents of modern technology and growing industry, therefore we do not need them."
- GTX, ChristianForums


[Replying to another Christian who says it's NOT OK] "But the bible condones it, and you worship this God that condones it. Don't look at me, look at the bible. Besides I tried to explain why slaves were needed and how they were allowed to obtain freedom."
- GTX, ChristianForums


"So you are saying God is not morally right [about slavery]?"
- GTX, ChristianForums


"Seriously dude, what didn't you understand? I attempted to show why slavery could be seen as ok from a biblical standpoint."
- GTX, ChristianForums


"Seriously I am just relaying and confirming that the God of the bible condones slavery, and Jesus did not say anything about abolishing slavery."
- GTX, ChristianForums


"If it wasn't ok, why did God set guidelines? Why didn't he just say it was an abomination like sexual immorality? Because he must have thought it was just."
- GTX, ChristianForums


"Eph 6:5
[5] Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Did God change his mind? I haven't found anything about him changing his mind, besides, you brought it up seebs.

It looks as though God didn't have a problem with it. I can kind of see how we are to gradually move away from it, maybe."
- GTX, ChristianForums


"Slavery (servanthood) is not a negative position."
- unworthyone, ChristianForums


"... the bible is clear about condoning slavery (no matter whether they are/were willing or not), but does not go back on it's word and abolish it.

Jesus coming sure would have been a golden opportunity to abolish it.

I believe because God and his obvious nature (even if it is wrathful and seemingly mean) established a heirarchy.

It goes from God to the Man, to the woman, to the children, to the slaves, to the animals, etc.

The bible makes God's description of himself clear, his masculine and powerful image (even in contrast to Jesus) clearly establishes a heirarchy that includes condoning slaves.

We can't ignore the scripture if we are to determine what the bible says about this. And since Jesus didn't abolish it with his coming, I think we have to conclude slavery is cool with God. (whether or not the slaves were/are willing is another issue)."
- GTX, ChristianForums


"If my boss is callous and rough, I still work for him. If my God is callous and rough (and loving, don't get me wrong, as far as I can see God displays, and has been written that God possesses a spectrum of emotions), I still have to believe in him.

I really don't agree at all with slavery, but according to the bible God does"
- GTX, ChristianForums


"You think it's funny that the leviathan is a "dragon-like" creature? I don't. It's really not so far fetched. Many legends have started with a truth and gotten twisted along the way. So 5,000 years ago you had a fire-breathing dinosaur. He became extinct. People started telling stories about this fierce fire-breathing animal. The story gets exagerated over time...you have your current dragon legends."
- Chris4Christ, RaptureReady


"Kato keeps spouting the same ignorant lies as typical. That the Bible borrowed from other cultures histories. Except that those ancient histories did not out date what was written in the bible because the Bible picks up on day one of everything. The others borrowed from it."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"puratory is as existent as valhalla"
- Gerrard Pedersen, PayableOnDeath BBS


[On Jewish people] "Well in my humble opinion, i would'nt call some one satanic unless that is what they profess. What i do however know is how much control they have in this country that is not their native land. I'm talking about america. I live in New York and they practically run this city. Now that i'm totally disgusted with. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate anyone. I was an auxillary police officer for a year and we were instructed that if ever an altercation came about between them and us we could not arrest them. They have their own police here. whenever the police is called , theirs show up first once they r involved. There's alot of domestic abuse that coes on behind their closed doors. they show up b4 the regular cops, talk the women into not pressing charges and the regular police never gets a chance to even see the women or lend their assistance. I tell u this goverment of ours put them b4 everyone. They have so much more rights over people here and the government wonders y their is so much racial tention. And they wonder y the crown heights riot happened? please."
- DeleseRose, ChristianForums


"I can think of a lot worse people then Jewish people to run a city. At least they can balance the books."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"I do not take the bible literaly,I check it out with a strongs concordance and several other versions of the bible"
- Deanar15, About.com Agnosticism/Atheism Board


[Replying to 'How do you explain all the different races of humans without accepting evolution?'] "How do you explain LIGHT being divided by a PRISM and showing the different colors it's really made up of...?? People as the intermarriages took place...'divided " into different colors...just as LIGHT when it is divided or broken down...from it's original perfect state...!

As people began to "divide" the gene pool again and agin..."different colors were produced..!"
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"Light when it is broken down with a PRISM refracts into various colors...red orange yellow green blue indigo and violet ( ROY G BIV as an easy way to remember )...But in it's original perfect state that it starts out as LIGHT..( bright white would best describe it )...light is light when all are put together...MY use of it was only to point out that MAYBE..If it's possible for light to divide into other colors..It might be possible for people to do the same once they begin to "divide" the gene pool by reproduction..!"
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"all pure HUMANS are from Noah..( not along with or including the wives or sons that were on the ark )...thru Adam...to be more precise..!"
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"Evolution is just a bad mistake.....it's not even a lie anymore...! It's only taught today by those who would be best compared to people 1000 yrs ago teaching the world was flat....Old outdated once believed to be true data...still pushed by the "hard flat earthers" of Evolution...!

The best Scientists are NOW distancing themselves from it because of breakthroughs in DNA and Genitic's...Your more apt to be struck by lightning 1 million times in a row AND then turn into a monkey..than you are to evolve into one...from anything else...!

Sorry to burst your bubble...!"
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"Adam and Eve had the highest amount of genetic information, but as these groups of people migrated and mated with each other and similar descendants repeatedly (like family members mating). Genetic info is lost, and they develop 'race traits'"
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


"Well lets look at it another way then..Are people all of one KIND..even though they are of different colors..I say yes...People are people...You can have different colored hair..eyes...skin..But we're still the same KIND...so genetically it MUST be possible..or some other biological way we don't know of or understand fully yet...!

All humans are of the same KIND..we can all inter-marry with each other and produce "human offspring" of various colors and sizes...thus we are of the same KIND... ( I have to be careful how I write this because I'm close to being banned by the monitors )...

EVOLUTION teaching says basically... You can take a rock..and a fish...and mix them together and produce a bird the first time and a horse the next..."
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"So...what YOU believe IF you trace it back to it's beginings is...We all came from..Rocks...!!

Granny was a rock..???

.....and you make fun of Christians who believe we were created by God..?"
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"Evolution says things took vast amounts of time to evolve...Geology says that the EARTH is very old...Science says the Cosmos is "billions" of years old...

So each (knowingly or unknowinly )... are working hand in hand to defend each others position...!

BASED on what..?"
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"Did you know that Carl Sagan NOW knows Jesus Christ is really who he said he was....!

YEP.. I have proof of that.....AND you can dig that truth out of THE rock..that was on a hillside.. "
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums


"Radioactive dating has been refuted, and the fossil layers have also been refuted."
- Bettawrekonize, CreationTalk


"What is difficult for some I guess is coming to terms with the simple truth. Considering that evolution is presented long on retoric and short on substance it is impressive how some none the less passionately believe it."
- notransitionals, CreationTalk


"I never said that E doesn't equal MC^2. My question is, how do you know that gamma rays aren't in fact particles that are too small to be seen?"
- Bettawrekonize, CreationTalk


"GOD doesn’t lie. Bias people lie. GOD provided us with evidence for a young Earth. He didn’t provide us any evidence for an old Earth. It’s just that many people don’t want to accept that evidence because it contradicts their religion (evolution)."
- Bettawrekonize, CreationTalk


*** Post of the Week for January 19-25, 2003 ***

"You can’t tell the age of a tree by it’s rings. The tree doesn’t know how long a year is."
- Bettawrekonize, CreationTalk


"Satan is involved especially in Evolution "scientists," much more in other areas, because those other areas are closer to true science (observable, repeatable facts)."
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


[Replying to 'Do we need to reject geology and archeology as well because of the snares of Satan?'] "Yep. Satan ultimately is responsible for all the ungodliness in this world."
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


"And anyone who rejects God's Word (wether Creation or Christ) is being decieved by Satan and drawn away by selfish desires. Satan has a hold over anyone who rejects the truth."
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


"I have skimmed over that [Christian-authored] article about radiometric dating and...I will trust my source, Bob Jones University about it because the person who wrote it claims that the earth is Billions of years old, which is false. If it was showing Radiometric dating methods to give dates no higher than 10,000 years then I might be intersted, but it doesn't, he still claims sadly, like most "Christians", that the earth is billions of years old."
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


"Honestly, I wills ay that I am not an "expert" like you and many people on this forum are in your personal beliefs, but, I guarantee you that as I do learn more about the universe, no evidence that anyone shows me will convince me of Evolution because the Bible clearly states that it is not true."
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


"Brothers, Evolution has significant problems with what the Bible teaches about the world before sin. Brother, please, start with the Bible and seriously see if there is any kind of indication in it that God used Evolution to make the world, or that God intended man's sinless bodies to die. There isn't any indication. You can interpret the Bible to come to that conclusion to support Evolution, but you need to start with the Bible alone and then interperet the physical evidence to support the Bible, not your interpretation of the physical evidence to fit the Word."
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


"Don't take into account any of the science or anything that is not of this world, and examine Genesis 1-3, and assk the Holy Spirit to show you what these chapters mean. Please, get the science out of it, and take the Word of God by itself. This is all I ask."
- Athlon4all, ChristianForums


"My son goes to a Christian school so he isn't indoctrinated with naturalism."
- Apologist, ChristianForums


*** Post of the Week for January 12-18, 2003 ***

"my church currently is expieriencing problems where there is demons running amuck in the basement

no one has gone and kicked them out, or they said they kicked one out, but theres more then one

we thought we finished the problem, then some kid in the daycare reported seeing some sort of thing and was crying"
- Gerrard Pedersen, PayableOnDeath BBS


"When you say demons can no longer possess, i disagree. I think they have worked on their technique and make it less obvious, for example, using mental problems and addictions to destroy people."
- Loyem - Projectionist 86, PayableOnDeath BBS


"the worse demon i heard is a religous demon, they will whisper things in peoples ears, making them think its there own thoughts,

because its 'religously' oriented people are afraid to question it, and eventually these religous demons can destroy a church"
- Gerrard Pedersen, PayableOnDeath BBS


"As an Mk (missionary kid) i hear all kinds of stories and see first hand the effect that demons and angels have on the world today. They are as real as you and me and to deny them is dangerous i think."
- kristophilus, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Angelic/demonic activity is more common in other parts of the world, such as Indonesia and Africa. These are the places where the Church is thriving in the face of danger, where believers are martyred, where you hear of more miracles."
- TwistedSketch, PayableOnDeath BBS


"except for the fact that God does not hear the prayers of the unsaved..."
- ArchxAngel, PayableOnDeath BBS


"As a Christian, I believe in the existence of hell as revealed to me in the Holy Scriptures and by the power of the Holy Spirit. A rational person, who believes in Jesus Christ as their saviour, would also believe in His Word, thus the place of eternal torment. The Bible was not written for people like you who claim to be "rational", but for those who "believe", like me!"
- King Russ, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Didn't scientists used to believe the earth was flat because that's what the evidence suggested? That's what a "rational" scientist would have believed. My point is reason usually fails because it isn't based on exactly what you said it was, EVIDENCE!"
- King Russ, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Faith comes from within, it is what an individual person experiences with God. It can't be taken away because its conviction is so strong that any misleading scientific theories or rational observations no longer have a bearing on what they see as the truth."
- King Russ, PayableOnDeath BBS


"The pagans don't like me, and I don't like them either. It's a waste of time argueing with someone who believe myths are as true as truth...

Nonsense.

I talk to scum like the scum they are."
- thebeast, Internet Infidels


One of the usual pagan vomit is that the bible is innacurate and corrupt, to use an islamaniacal idiom. But that is a lie, a bald face lie, that bald face liars have no problems with, parroting their idiocy shamelessly. No the bible is not corrupt, and every word in it is accurate. In fact, the bible is the most accurately transmitted document on the face of the earth, with a multitude of historical documents that attest to the exactitude of todays text. Old Hebrew literal bibles are available with Strong's dictionaries for those who seek to gain better understanding of dark passages.

But that wouldn't stop the bible haters from hating it, or accepting it, or reviling it, because truth is not what scum are looking for, they're looking for excuses to hate and to murder, and that's as good an excuse as any."
- thebeast, Internet Infidels


"Of course, I do realize that argueing with idolaters is absolutely futile, since the reason they don't believe is not for lack of proof, but for the wickedness of their hearts.

As Paul said, they are brute animals without reason or logic. And discussion with them is strongly discouraged.

Just like the evolution baboons, who think their father is a monkey... showing the quackery of evolution through thousands of proofs won't make a dent in their stupidly held beliefs. They believe in evolution not because it's true, but because it's the ONLY alternative to creation. And despite the overwheling evidence against it, and despite the everwhelming evidence supporting creation, they will believe the lie. They'd reather believe the lies than the truth."
- thebeast, Internet Infidels


"God's allowed to murder. It's His creation, he can get rid of it if he likes. Besides, the world was evil and corrupt, probably more fucked up than it is today. God said 'Thou shalt not kill', not 'I shalt not kill'"
- Loyem - Projectionist 86, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Proponents of "choice" don't want to force women to have abortions? Since when? China does it now. And if you think for a minute that justifying abortion morally and legally does not translate into forced abortion as a realistic means of population control in the future, then you are not being honest with yourself."
- dkb, PayableOnDeath BBS 


"Why do people try to use this as a way to show how "unfair" God is and how "ludicrous" Christian's are?

Bible believing Christian's believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven. If mother Teresa didn't accept Jesus than she is in hell. If Gandhi, or any other devout religious or extremely moral person didn't accept Jesus than they are in hell.

Whether or not you think that is fair or not isn't the issue. I'm just answering your question.."
- Bob, PayableOnDeath BBS


"While Ghandi did some great things from our perspective on this earth, he was a sinner just like all of us. He came to a point in his life where he chose his own belief system and his own desires over God's way for his life. It's a tragedy that he chose not to be with God. As for the axe murderer that accepts God before he dies, if he truly accepts Jesus he will bear a terrible pain and suffering of guilt over what he has done."
- toomanyVoices, PayableOnDeath BBS


"And what do you mean by evidence? Like, maybe miracles?

And why should we follow logic or reason?"
- Jiggles, PayableOnDeath BBS


"According to statistics, 33% of the world believe in Christianity. That's a huge figure that is! In fact, using logic we can come to the conclusion Christianity is the true religion of God because it has the most adherents. See how flawed logic is? Do we say God exists because there are more theists than atheists? Since you're such a master in logic, isn't that what you should believe?"
- King Russ, PayableOnDeath BBS


"I believe it is logical to believe creation since it is based on observations and not untested hypothesis."
- King Russ, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Muslims worship Satan, they just haven't figured it out yet."
- ready2go, RaptureReady


"As far as muslims go, well I am very saddened that they are so mislead by their false religion, and I do not like to see it being brought to our shores, as with any other false religion."
- Mercy4Me, RaptureReady


[on Mormonism] "As I said above, anyone wanting to know the truth about any of this only needs to look into it for themselves, and not be a sheeple following other men around."
- jesusvictorious, RaptureReady


[On Joseph Smith] "How can a "true" prophet of the Lord compile works that contradict each other?

I just posted a thread that did just that, i.e. compared several contradicting documents."
- JimB, RaptureReady


"But have you ever just wondered why? Why did Nazi Germany under Hitler try to exterminate the Jews? Of all people, why the Jews? Couldn't be that Satan has it out for God's chosen! Nah..."
- Xtreme, RaptureReady


"Nostradamus makes referance to wars, deaths and natural disasters. This stuff just happens periodically anyway and his quatrains are written in metaphor in a way that makes them seem to fit historical events. If you have ever read any Nostradamus you will notice that it lacks the preciese details to be credible prophecy."
- Gordon, RaptureReady


"Interestingly, his quatrains are so nebulous, so unreadable, that they have to be interpreted AFTER the event!

No one has ever, EVER, successfully predicted an event BEFORE it happened using Nosty's writings. Not much of a track record if you ask me."
- MrMannn, RaptureReady


[On respecting other's religion] "I cannot respect any religion that denies Christ, because it is simply wrong about the most important thing in the universe, and beyond."
- Knight Errant, RaptureReady


"Exactly what is it they [Raelians] are worshiping?

They are just a bunch of weird, deluded people. Lots and lots of people, and scientists that believe humans were left here by aliens."
- newSmiles, RaptureReady


"My vote is for imagination. A very very busy imagination. Joseph Smith wouldn't have known the real truth if it had jumped up and bit him in the posterior side."
- cheezit, RaptureReady


"This is who Joseph Smith was, and his legacy that he left behind. A SOUL killer. A murderer of what God holds precious, our souls. That is who Joseph Smith was, and why he burns in hell now. So sad, to know people who are acutally lost forever and ever and ever."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


"I am just sick of false religious crap being promoted and you trying to give it legitimacy with your false B[ook]O[f]M[ormom] and junk that are pure lies of SATAN."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


"I have a dear Mormon friend and I pray he comes to understand he's believing in a lie. But Mormonism is so ingrained--it's a culture, a way of life--it's hard to get away from."
- mrshoward, RaptureReady


"This just doesn't hold water. How dare anyone question why and when and whom and how God gave his plan. ( the bible)"
- tenor, RaptureReady


"What more evidence do you need than the BIBLE?"
- fourgivn1, RaptureReady


"A holy spirit will make it impossible for peoples minds to be changed"
- ArchxAngel, PayableOnDeath BBS


[On a successfully fulfilled prediction] "Isn't that handy. Science has a theory, perhaps based on archology, and now they have DNA and they claim the DNA record proves their already existing theorys.

The new evidence should have compleatly overturned their existing theory. They should be having to scramble to come up with a new theory to explain the new information."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"Brown is a coloring or a pigment. If you remove all the coloring that protects people from the sun, you will have white skin, blue eyes and either blond or red hair."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"God created the body, so He must have created DNA. But I am sure satan would love to tell you a lot of lies about DNA. He is after all the father of lies and liars."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


[Replying to 'a loving god wouldn't condemn its children to eternal torture'] "That's not grasping the full picture and not understand what pure love is."
- Project 86, ChristianForums


"Only if you repent and turn away from your sin, can you be forgiven and delivered from the natural consequences of that sin. That is why we get the results we do. We tell people to quit being a sinner and God will heal you. That is why people are healed of aids, they turn away from their sin."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


[On Harry Potter] "It kind of reminds me of the Good Witch in the Wizard of Oz. There really isn't any such thing as a good witch; it is simply imaginative."
- Autumn, ChristianForums


"I saw parts of the [Harry Potter] movie. It was a LOT worse then I thought it was going to be. It is designed to desensitize teenagers so that satan can move in and destroy them.

It seems to be accomplishing it's objective. People seem to be reacting to it just exactly the way they want them to."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"Well we started with Bewitched all those years and now we are at Harry Potter. It's pretty obvious. Evolution y'know?

We are just wondering what's next."
- Live4Jesus, ChristianForums


"The problem with the 'all imagination' theory is that, just like little boys who watch lots of cowboy movies will mimmick the behavior or imagine growing up to be cowboys, or scientists, or fireman, depending on the stories they are told as children, the same holds true for the Harry Potter stuff.

Thus for a Christian to allow this type of influence on their kids is like allowing them to watch fantasy movies about drug trips, even I will say pornography or the like, and then perhaps one day having to rein the kid in hard because he doesn't understand it's not OK.

Probably you'll say Hoof! Comparing Harry Potter to pornography, well I am just trying to get your attention in a realistic way. If you bring kiddie porn into your home and then your kid becomes the neighborhood **** at age 9 wouldn't it be your fault? With Harry Potter, you'll have to break him of the evil fantasy first if you ever expect him to accept Jesus as well, because the 2 cannot happily co-exist."
- Live4Jesus, ChristianForums


"Real or not it will do something. Some of us are wise enough to know what's real and not. Where as kids believe so easy. Satan knows what he's doing."\
- Blade, ChristianForums


"You know counterfit christianity has no problem with counterfit witchcraft. But real christianity has a problem with it."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"I agree with spanking. In fact, I use a rod. It's plastic, thinner than a pencil, and 21 inches long. One flick of the wrist is enough."
- evolisamyth, ChristianForums


"Spanking is not about teaching them about something, it is about letting them feel a bit of pain to correct them."
- Apologist, ChristianForums


"Though the Children of the World call us mad and deluded when we say these things about God. They repeat to us again and again the same inconsistent lies they have been taught since childhood."
- RoyWM, ChristianForums


"Wow, this guy may want to consider prozac if he is that depressed. Actually the truth is depression comes from a fallen point of view about creation. If you could see creation the way God sees it, you would not be depressed, you would be very happy and rejoicing in the Lord."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"There is no such thing as a lapsed or former Christian. You either are a child of God Saved by Christ or you are not Saved and never were. There is no inbetween or halfmeasure with God. "
- RoyWM, ChristianForums


"A lie is anything that can not be confirmed by the word of God. He does not leave us out here to guess at it. We can give the word test to anything to see if it is true or not."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"Are you a Christian? If not then he [God] isn't your father to begin with."
- G.I.Verbs: The new M.C.Swirl, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Muslim postage stamps?!?! PLEASE, make sure you write the USPS and tell them "NO WAY" to this nonsense...This is America! - not islam..."
- AdoptedByGod, BaptistBoard


"The demons in hell are dancing with glee! The enemy is rejoicing....another blow to Judeo-Christian heritage in the USA!

What's next, an atheist stamp?"
- SheEagle9/11, BaptistBoard


"I think this issuing of a Muslim stamp on George Washington's Birthday is a deliberate slap in the face by the USPS to traditional American Judeo-Christian beliefs......

This is another selling out of America in the name of political correctness. It is a slap in the face of the 09/11 Islamic jihad victims, as well.

And contrary to what was posted above, I do believe God is interested in the affairs of even mundane things such as postage stamps. God is going to JUDGE the NATIONS someday as well as individual people.

If He cares about a sparrow that falls, He cares about stamps!"
- SheEagle9/11, BaptistBoard


"Supporting Islam runs contrary to the spirit of this nations founding Fathers...that of not kissing up to anyone, not being afraid to take politcal risks and tell something like it is.

I guess if you boil it down, as a Christian I don't really care for most of the pettiness this world, society, and government has to offer, especially stupid, false religions like Islam."
- AdoptedByGod, BaptistBoard


*** Post of the Week for January 5-11, 2003 ***

"Anyway, to a answer the Islami, the reason I don't believe Moaaamud is because he's the only one who claims to have alledgedly spoken to the angel what'shisname...! And according to the law, the testimony of one man is not enough to establish truth, therefore, since not only mohaaamad succeeds in contradicting every book in the bible, he also make such ludicrous comments that he flew a horse... come on! A flying horse. Who the **** do you think I am?"
- thebeast, Internet Infidels


"The Inquisitions did not have an objection to torture in principle but rather insisted it was a last resort when there was plenty of evidence already. Even then, the proceedures had to be followed to prevent lasting injury or prolonged suffering. Effectively, a utilitarian ethic."
- Bede, Internet Infidels


[After being flamed for his earlier... comments] "Well, I guess my remarks about the 'evil being palpable around here' are easily understood now. Of course this is to be expected when you are dealing with people who have no objective source of morality, and no fear of a Final Reckoning for their actions (yet)."
- Evolskeptic, Internet Infidels


"Pointing out the fact that there are extremely hateful people here posting evil sentiments does not constitute sending out a 'flame.'"
- Evolskeptic, Internet Infidels


"THAT TEARS IT.

Do you people think I’m going to spend hour after hour hunting and pecking away and then hope my finished work meets with the approval of some Hell-bound Darwinphile?

FAT CHANCE."
- Evolskeptic, Internet Infidels


"Samson was a Danite, and he seems to embody the characteristics of the tribe. He was unsteady, unscrupulous, violent, sneaky in his tactics."
- Thomas Cassidy, Internet Infidels


"You may not intentionally lie. But you have been lied to by science all your life. Lied to so much that you believe it as true. And hence, you argue those lies as true. You may not set out to lie, but the end effect of arguing for a lie is the same."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"You maintain that creationists do these dishonest things. That is only a matter of perspective. You believe a lie so when you hear the truth and it is in opposition to what you believe. It sounds like a lie because it opposes what you have wrongly been indoctrinated into believing is truth."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


[On the third-world tribesmen going to hell paradox] I have a friend that is agnostic. Her big hang-up is her cats. What happens to her cats when they die if God is real? She believes that if God is real, her cats either vanish or go to hell because they don’t accept Jesus. So she chooses to not believe in God because she can’t believe in a god that would do this (although I have explained where this isn’t necessarily the case). It absolutely dumbfounds me where some people are so worried about outside things like their cats, or this native in the wilderness, that they would choose an eternity in hell for it."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Now, you can bet that as they were drowing, those that actually called out His name, were saved, before they went under. Avoiding eternal seperation. So in actuality many thousands came to the Lord because of the Flood, than if God would have allowed sin to envelop the whole earth and corrupt even the righteous that would have remained including Noah. Everyone would have died in their sin state and cast into hell.

Thank God for the Flood.

Otherwise you would not be here."
- theTruth, RaptureReady


"Thank God for the Flood, many lost sinners came to repentance because of it.

Sound like a familiar society?
Think God wont do this again in the future?
Think again.
Hes coming back."
- theTruth, RaptureReady


"And many were saved because of the Flood. Hundreds of thousands to souls CHOOSING to be saved because they knew only God could help them at that point.

Those that failed to cry out, died in their sins. They CHOSE not to call upon God for help. How stubborn, and sad."
- theTruth, RaptureReady


"But what about the children?? Did these innocent children deserve to die ?? Well, (IMO) I'm sure Noah tried to gather these children into the ark, but I'm also sure the parents of these children would not allow it."
- KingDavid, RaptureReady


[Commenting on Stephen Jay Gould's death] "I'll bet that atheist is wishing he had not led so many people astray!

I am sure that leeches like him get an "extra special" treatment in Hell. He asked for it, and he deserves it!"
- Reborn James, BaptistBoard


"I don't know what you are suggesting, but you are sadly mistaken if you think I have any sympathy for an atheist maggot who spent most of his life trying to legitimatize a Satanic ideology.

He's a Christian now, but a little too late."
- Reborn James, BaptistBoard


"to answer your questions, christianity does not support/justify/involve/lead to the killing of others, read the new testament, or even take the ten commandments from the old if you want, and tell me where it does those things. if its so violence prone, how come there havent been any mass slaughters or wars in the south where religion is a large part of society, or used to be."
- appetizer, The Catacombs Forums


"i was merely pointing out that if christianity was such a catalyst for violence, the south would have erupted by now, its had over 200 years. its idiotic that you even continue this tangent, as my point is proven."
- appetizer, The Catacombs Forums


"one thing that has made me take pride in being a christian is that part of what a christian is is that you have values, you have to be polite, and friendly. I guess being an atheist voids all that and makes it religious nonsense."
- raz, The Catacombs Forums


"I could say the science is the crutch of the weak. How? Because if you believe in science, you need facts. If it can't be proven, you choose not to believe. Therefore it gives you carte blanche to behave in any way you see fit. In other words, since no one can prove with 100% certainty there is no God, no afterlife, then how I behave on this earth has no real consequence. Sounds pretty convenient if you ask me."
- Gump (LGSO), The Catacombs Forums


"Judas, the Spanish Inquisition, and the pedophiles currently running amok in today’s Roman Catholic church have also been called "Christians" at one time or another. They will all get into heaven at about the same time [evolutionary biologist Kenneth] Miller does."
- Evolskeptic, CreationTalk


[Denying his quotes of Darwin and Gould were out-of-context] "As I also pointed out above, this type of unethical behavior (i.e., deliberately misquoting opponents) is to be expected from people who have no fear of Judgement Day (yet)."
- Evolskeptic, CreationTalk


"The "conspirators" to foist evolution worldwide and discredit Genesis--- if such a conspiracy exists--- find it in their best interest to cause doubt as to their own existance. They are those beings referred to popularly as "demons" or "fallen angels". It is not a human conspiracy. If you don't believe these chaps exist, you can't believe such a conspiracy exists. If you do, then maybe you can. It's fodder for some other thread."
- Asahel, PayableOnDeath BBS


"If i was a mother (i'm a male) and i got raped and pregnant, i wouldn't risk my soul by getting an abortion. even though it was forced upon me, i wouldn't kill an innocent young baby whose only there because maybe, GOD wanted him/her there."
- Rockin' christian, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Fourth, perhaps death is not the worst thing that can happen to you. It appears to me that what God thinks the worst thing is, is to be seperated from Him for ever. And that choice He leaves up to us. If, however, killing (or allowing to die) a few people (who have chosen to refuse Him) so that other's may be given another chance to return to Him, maybe it's a fair action. Perhaps the needs of the many do outweigh the needs of the few."
- ApeMan, PayableOnDeath BBS


"And you also mention God "nudging" us. Well, any nudging on God's part is the equivalent of Him pre-programming us, even if just a little. Well, I'm glad He didn't do that because we wouldn't have 100% free will if He did.

Btw, God is in a way "nudging" you right now towards the right direction. The fact that you are here almost everyday reading God's word's reflects that. You surely will stand without excuse."
- KingDavid, RaptureReady


"Want evolution to be a theory? Follow your beloved Scientific Method: observe EVOLUTION, test EVOLUTION, and repeat that test on EVOLUTION over and over until it can move beyond a hypothesis into a valid theory. Basically, evolve me something."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


[Marriage advice] "One of the problems with people today is that they misunderstand what love is. Love is a choice, not a feeling. Choose to love your husband."
- GodSpawn, PayableOnDeath BBS


"I am loaded to the teeth with books, videos, and tapes of famous theologians. Before it was just a hobby now it's becoming a lifestyle. My arguments will be fine tuned and honed in on the lies of the humanistic worldview."
- inverter, PayableOnDeath BBS


"And I do not accept ten, twelve, or 5,000 peer reviewed papers. I also don't want to have any papers reviewed by any "scientists" cause if I haven't told you before I reject all of their "science". and so should you! If you realize that one fact then the rest of your arguement is flawed."
- inverter, PayableOnDeath BBS


"The Universe and Jesus show us undeniable not only that God does exist but who this God is. What you 'believe' is irrelevent. Rather, it's what reality reveals that's important."
- Tarmac, PayableOnDeath BBS


"Like I always say for Liberals, atheists, democrats, and Bill Clinton/Al Gore, laws are only there for everyone else to follow. Hmmmm? I smell double standard"
- inverter, PayableOnDeath BBS


"I think the world they [atheists and liberals] envision can probably be put into words, as in the book 1984. If you haven't read the book, I suggest you do so. It will open up your eyes to what the future holds for us if the true Christian religion is forever banished from this planet."
- learboy, PayableOnDeath BBS


"As a Christian, I seek to offer critique of worldviews that don't correspond to reality. Since much of what you've said doesn't correspond to reality, you're wrong. That's not being arrogant but honest."
- Tarmac, PayableOnDeath BBS




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