Fundies Say the Darndest Things! January 2004 Edition
Last Updated February 6, 2004



"The traditional theory that two atoms/ matter/ electrons collided together and caused a enormous explosion. Due to this explosion dust was created that the began to settle around the universe. It was spun into action with the right chemistry to create the sun, then dust collected in balls and got caught within the gravitational pull of the sun and became what we know of as our planets... This is known as the Big Bang theory, brought about by Charles Darwin, who invented the rest of the theory of evolution."
- Lyle, ChristianForums [This is but an excerpt; the rest is worse, so click only if you're a masochist]


"There have been MANY times where your posts seem to convey the idea that you are making up your mind before you set out on a journey. In other words, you almost seem to be assuming that much of the Gospel is false, and expecting people to prove it TRUE, when in fact the baseline assumption should be the opposite."
- Kung Pao Smurf, RaptureReady


*** Non-Contradiction Award ***

"Peter must you always be an ass? The reason I did this was to try to get this place a little more civilized."
- Jason Lee, Atlantis Rising Forums


"any way the sherad desrer is the bigs one if the wolrd was 4.6 billon years old the why isnt there a bigger one some were, they have dated the desrt to be about 4300 years old by the way it grows about 4 miles every year,. i have a throy i belive that god made the earth about 6000 years ago and there was a flood about 4400 years ago. so the biges desrt wold have to be less than 4400 years old. gess what it is [winking smiley]"
- godskidathhs777, The Seven Project - Discussion Forums


"I choose not to learn about evolution you got nothing to gain from it."
- TruthTraveler, ChristianForums


"MicroEvolution is not really evolution at all. It is the simple variation within a species... Macro Evolution is Religious in nature... Micro evolution states that all breeds of dog came from a dog. Macroevolution says that all dogs evolved from a rock."
- pentecostal girl, ChristianForums


"It is the only widely accepted alternative to Creation for the origin of man or any other species. Regardless of how silly evolution is it cannot be abandoned until something besides believing in the bible and accepting the truth of Genesis can be conjectured. Evolution is a religion. It has ever changing doctrine. It is certainly not science in that it approaches the species issue from a completely opposite direction than that of science which examines the facts to form conclusions... And you thought no Christian understood Evolution....."
- PreacherJoe, ChristianForums


[Replying to 'if thermodynamics prevented increasing complexity, babies could never be born'] "Babies being born has nothing to do with 2LoT. Are babies single-celled organisms?"
- pentecostal girl, ChristianForums


"So a 'highly primitive form of bacteria' formed organs, arms,legs,etc. How is that possible? I think creationism is much easier to comprehend, then this."
- pentecostal girl, ChristianForums


"Well if that's the case, wouldn't the cells have exploded because of the oxygen? Aren't mutations very harmful?"
- pentecostal girl, ChristianForums


"Well, I would have to agree with you on this one (the person that wrote this message) ok, dude, there has to be CHANGE, but evolution is incorrect. Nothing can NOT CHANGE over time, especially over thousands of years, it's impossible, but the 'Theory' (that's just what it is, a thought passing by someone’s head) that we came from a monkey, is stupid."
- G8oZion, POD Warrior Forum


"i didnt bother reading all this nonsense and babble stirctly because i dont want to read ignorant responses and 'theories'. But i would like to say this. Those of you that are anti-creationist or anti-christians... In esence you faith and religion is evolution and should be based on this theory, for it takes just as much faith to belive in this rebellious thought of evolution... I honeslty dont understand how you can believe in something so addamently that cant be proven. Atleast the bible you can see that what is in there is very believable and true. maybe you should just try it sometime. If you dont want Jesus the devil will always gladly accept you back."
- BleakBassPlayer, POD Warrior Forum


"The MAIN REASON that our country has not suffered a major terrorist attack against it since 9/11/01 is because our Lord,IN HIS GRACE AND POWER AND MERCY AND LOVE,has prevented an attack from happening in this country!!... If our Lord God Almighty ever decides,for whatever reason,to lift his Hand of Protection off of our country,it DOES NOT MATTER if we have every safety precaution that is possible in place in our nation here..."
- Saved By Jesus, RaptureReady


"Personally... I prefer to take direct action via prayer, and faith in Our Sovereign Lord who has everything under His control. Any help by having better security is gravy..."
- toadblossom, RaptureReady


"I prefer to depend on God for our protection and anything else we do is meaningless. God will fight for us if needs be."
- cameron222, RaptureReady


"A GREAT BIG 'AMEN' TO THAT,CAMERON222!!!!!"
- Saved By Jesus, RaptureReady


"It's definitely not going to be pretty if we (the united states) keep making demands on Israel, and she makes moves to giveing up their God given land. Even an inch of it, is a no no!"
- FluffyMuffy, RaptureReady


[On why there aren't many atheist quote lists] "Maybe atheists have never said anything worth quoting.. I am not being sarcastic. It is a fact that atheism is nothing more than refuting what other people believe. There is not a whole lot for them to say. There is just.... nothing... And you can insist that communism, evolution, and atheism are three indepentant ideas swimming around with no relaionship to each other, but that is pretty silly."
- didaskalos, ChristianForums


"Can someone help me by letting me know some verses that prove that animals don't have feelings? It is so logical and is common sense, but it never occured to me to remember where the Word says so. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!"
- robnewbold, ChristianForums


"It took a while to read through all of the heresies, but I am glad that someone is at least trying to help me with this. Look, I didn't ask for anyone's opionion on the matter... All I asked for was Bible verses that support my point of view. So far, no one has said anything that has made me think twice, or even once, about what the Word of God says."
- robnewbold, ChristianForums


"Becaue the Word of God is the answer to all things, and it is the guidebook for life.."
- robnewbold, ChristianForums


"I am positive that science < bible. God made everything, including the ability to try to explain Him away with silly notions such as 'First there was nothing, then it exploded;. So I count on science, which keeps proving itself wrong, exactly zero. I am new to this area, but... Aren't there any Christians here?"
- robnewbold, ChristianForums


*** Post of the Week, January 4-10 ***

"It's a shame that evolutionists like notto virtually always use out-of-context quotes when attempting to smear Henry Morris and other Creationists."
- Christian Soldier, ChristianForums


"According to Darwin in his books. He clearly states that women are more ape like, and less evolved then men. Dont believe me? Read His theorys, and books again. It what he printed... Just another reason why I dont believe in evolution."
- Lonnie, ChristianForums


"then make up your own definition..you're an evolutionist..you're good at creating facts to fit your point."
- napajohn, ChristianForums


"Mike , please tell me where i claimed what you asserted..all i said was that evolution has huge scientific holes in the theory..that there are political forces in academia that want it preserved at whatever costs and in spite of the scientific evidence..."
- napajohn, ChristianForums


"Here's my logic. If God exists then there must be natural laws(which He created and are easily observable) and supernatural laws(which He also created, but rarely play a part in the natural world). If God does not exist then, at no point in time will there be a 'law' in which science cannot explain."
- 4God, Internet Infidels


"the mere fact that energy comes into this open system from the sun doesnt even begin to explain how complexity can occur. its like a bull ina china shop. people (creationists) ussualy do make straw men arguments against evolutionist using the 2nd law...but its only strawmen because its not complete."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"the first law is violated because evoution does not have an explanation for the origination of matter and energy. its a case of 'you dont know, so what you dont know hurts you'"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"in short that [Hebrews 11:3] is Gods Word agreeing with the first law of thermodynamics. the curse God placed on creation is of course the implimation of the 2nd law."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"... during noahs flood this [water canopy] came crashing down on the earth, so water came down from the heavens and also up from the gorund as great fissures of under ground water came up...where did the waters receede to? dont know off hand but i do know that they did...obvuisly because dry land exsists! =D"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"so if what you are saying is that the first life organisms did not require oxygen at the time but later evolved to incorperate oxygen, then how could evoultuon at the cellular level have occured keeping the organism alive? what i am trying to say is...during evolution the organism would die during the information change in cells as they switch 'jobs'"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"also i would like to again point out how many times evolutionists have had to change thier doctrine. and that God remains unchanged =D if creationsism is a dead horse then why should evolution change so many times due to our resaerch."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"never said snowflakes didnt violate entropy"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"the universe is upheld by the hand of God, always has been it would not have fallen apart, and friction doesnt denote the 2nd law, as the escaped heat would have been recycled"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"lol we are very open to new discoveries and evidence...of course anything we can find to support creation is what we look for, we always keep in mind 'discoveries and claims' to support evolution so that God through us can debunk it."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"God asks that we first beilive and then we will see...as oppose to the perverse and backwards way of thinking today which i s'seeing is beliving'... you should try it and find out for yourself instead of making assumptions."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"...'i could say' 'i could say' 'i could say' im really not interested in what you could say the Lord Jesus Christ is Lord with or without my aproval"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"well sir i do have to admit you have apoint when it comes to 'which god created'... so lets refer to the Word of God which says that Jesus is the Way the Truth and the life no man comes to the Father but by Him. Also those who diligently seek the Truth with all thier heart shall find Jesus because He will not hide from them. thats the only way i can think of right now to decipher the Creator God from falseys =D"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"... science is a poor substitue because it is largely based on the logic of man which is flawed... science which uses Gods logic as oppose to mans is a good science, (which acknowledges that everything in the bible is true)"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


[Replying to 'good science is that which explains the world around us, whether or not it agrees with scripture"] "and you know this is true because how? why?"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"huge amounts of evidence do not point towards science in dis-chord with scripture psuedo science on the other hand....welll...=D"
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"good science will use the scripture as a giude to faster achievement of true and proper results as the bible has alot to say regarding things of scientific nature. it would be kinda like a giude book by which experiments are done and thinking is done... in other words good science the search for truth will find the bible correct always because it is Truth."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"yes i have taken a biology course. and am aware the evolution is a 'process' but it is a process by which organisms 'evolve' or adapt to thier enviroment blah blah blah...where in the process should lay is in dna thats the point. because dna should contain the ability of evolution but it does not. what dna does show is that it supports the creation model."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"eru good science is not intersted in your baised opniouns of it against the Word of God, because it can be said that science is the search for truth."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"mans logic is flawed because when used does not always produce accurent results or truth, you cannont always reason things correctly. example: we say the butler killed mrs smith... but actually she died of natural causes... you see we can reason and detuct and think all we want. but that wont always produce the truth. this is probably the best reason as to why its flawed. it doesnt help the fact that we cannont tell truth from lie in and of ourselves."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"if we are to use Gods logic for things....might as well use His definition of things as well... hard hearted is one of Gods terms that describes rebellious refusal of Truth. number 1 i think God has more credibility then a dictionary, number2 these things must be taken in context."
- JesusChristRep, BlizzForums


"But anyway i will just say to you that Islam is unlike anything you know,if you inspect its sharia (Islamic law) you may realize that its really common sense.Put by god to protect each human from protecting sin and if he did it the society or the state must punish him in order to keep the society safe and secure."
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


"When i read the Quran i know as 1 and half billion muslims know that it cant be made by a man. There are many scientific miracles in the Quran. There are many prophesis in the Quran. There is no contradictories in the Quran. From Prophet Muhammed life.You know he is a prophet.He never punished or killed someone without right.Never started a war against anyone. These are things that i can think of right now."
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


"Claims? ok call it what you want and believe what you want to believe.As I and about 1 and half other billion muslims will believe in what we know its true... Can you see gravity?Can you see the air? You dont see them but that doesnt mean they are not there."
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


"There is not one contradiction in the Qur'an. Many enemies have tried to find some and all have failed. You may read something in these types of devious books that may give you doubt, all you have to do is go to the Qur'an and look at the context of the passage."
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


"As for menstruel blood it has been scientificaly proven that if you make sex with your wife while shes in her period you may be infected by various deseases (sp?). Something that Islam told us 1400 years ago.Isnt that considered as a scientifique fact?"
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


"What happens in the west is a total caos.There is no equality between a man and a women in the west... Still not convinced? Then tell me about any political women you heard about in the US? I dont know about you but i cant find any other than Hilary Clinton.Wow 1 women against how many men??"
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


"As for wife beating,this site presents 2 opinions one that say its allowed and the other say its not.I tend to agree with the one that allows it. Before anyone starts by saying 'where is the equality' and such i want to tell you that the Prophet NEVER hitt a women during his entire life."
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


*** Family Values Award ***

"Saying that a husband can beat his wife doesnt mean its his right to beat her whenever he can! Beating is the LAST option and even then in another hadith the prophet forbiddes beating a wife on her face or by punshes and kicking.Beating should be light.like slaps on her bodies."
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


"I have said everything that i have to say.As i said before i dont like debates and i dont think that this post will change your point of view... Although i really hope that from what i writte.People who are reading this might see the wisdom to search for more information about Islam."
- Pharaoh, Internet Infidels


[Replying to 'Would you rather shoot 1 priest who leads 500 people to christ in the future or 500 babies, that will all turn out atheist?']

"Either way, 500 die, this will sound sick to you, but were I to kill the babies, that would be 1000 ensured to go to heaven, instead of 500. sometimes you cannot let your emotions get into the way."
- Lord_Peac|-|, Kyle Givler Teens' Board


"There are enough wholesome family resorts in Florida and uninhabited keys to explore that there is no reason for Christian couples to visit Key West and swinger-dominated resorts... Sodom and Gomorrah were 'fun' places too and Lot was the cosmic killjoy they loved to hate, until the day the Lord warned him off and then dropped fire and brimstone on those gay-friendly cities. I hope Key West repents before they meet a similar fate."
- Trailscout, INA Forums [a Christian nudist forum, no less...]


"If we continue to patronize places like Key West, we are being hateful to the sinners there. By our silence and repeat visits, we seem to be saying that its okay to be immoral, when such places are at the very brink of destruction... Of course churches and evangelical groups could organize mission trips to places of sin in the hope of helping as many escape as possible."
- Trailscout, INA Forums


"By not patronizing these places, we help cut off the money used for advertising, thence the proliferation of this sinful lifestyle. If you feel led to share the gospel there with the homosexuals, drunkards and other sinners, I will be glad to support your efforts, but most of us need to stay well away from such places, especially folks with kids."
- Trailscout, INA Forums


"I seriously doubt codes have been found with any fictional books or other secular books particularly since they are not written in the Hebrew language and the Torah is truth."
- SavedbyYeshua, RaptureReady


"The Torah of the Bible is truth and the fiction of Moby Dick is imagination; therefore, the Torah codes of the Bible are truth whereas the fictionalized codes of Moby Dick are false. I seriously doubt any codes were found in Moby Dick."
- SavedbyYeshua, RaptureReady


"Sorry Lyra, but if you do your homework you will see that the prophecies in the Bible were written before the events took place and Mr McKay [the guy who found Bible codes in Moby Dick] has more than failed at prophecy. God's Word never fails. It is apparent you are here to indoctrinate us rather than to discuss or defend the faith. Bye! [Hits 'Ban' button]"
- Becky, RaptureReady Administrator


"Maybe this is stretching it a little bit, but does anyone else think this whole mad cow thing is to distract us a bit from the possibly pending terror attacks?"
- LoadShark, RaptureReady


[Commenting on the huge earthquake in Iran that killed over 30,000 civilians]

"You know this is so sad but I also found it ironic and it just kind of hit me in the face that at the top of this board one of the topics is: 'Iran: We will 'sweep away' Israel if attacked.' As usual, God will have the last say which proves time and again 'you don't mess with the apple of God's eye.!!"
- krikin, RaptureReady


"Praying for the families of the [earthquake victim] people, that they come to know Jesus in this life, before it is too late."
- architectlink, RaptureReady


"like someone said ...3 in 3 days and big ones...WOW.....God is trying to wake people up...its just so sad that very few are looking and seeing what is going on..."
- stephanne909, RaptureReady


"What makes me sad about this, is that 20,000 souls have entered eternity possibly without knowing Jesus."
- Wiseman1, RaptureReady


"God said that He will bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel... Iran is reaping what they've sown..."
- fireman777, RaptureReady


"The thought that crossed my mind was they threatened Israel and then God sent them an earthquate. Remember Israel is still the apple of God's eye. You mess with God and his people and there is going to be a consequence."
- DJHere, RaptureReady


"So Sodom and Gomorrah didn't deserve what happened to them?"
- DJHere, RaptureReady


"We all deserve death... that doesn't make it any less tragic that the people of S&G [Sodom and Gomorrah] and probably most of those in Iran are now spending eternity in hell."
- EmmieAZ, RaptureReady


"As long as groups like PP [Planned Parenthood] promote sexual promiscuity among teens, unwanted pregnancies are guaranteed to be high in number."
- Borealis, ChristianForums


[Replying to (paraphrased) 'if your daughter is ever dying because of a bad pregnancy, abortion will seem different'] "Maybe YOU will. I do not sell out so easily. I place my bet on Christ everytime and will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS win because of Him. "
- Buck72, ChristianForums


"It can be a difficult thing to understand. When I look around at all the horrific things happening in the world it would be easy for me to wonder how God could allow them to happen... Once you get over the fixation on materialistic goals...things become much easier."
- Illusion, RaptureReady


"But the greatest driving factor in all of this is money. There are the profiteers and politicians who stand to grow in unspeakable wealth and power by cooperating with the Arabs and finding favor by helping them and their pagan religion take control."
- Joyfilly, RaptureReady


"While taking chemical engineering classes, our professor explained the laws of thermodynamics. Carefully reading and studing what was presented, on my own it became clear to me that evolution, i.e. life from nothing, one animal turning into another was against the laws of nature."
- R1200C, RaptureReady


"To prove atheists are wrong once and for all... It would not make ANY sense to thinkg that there is no God. Think of it this way.... what created everything? Did things randomly appear? No... God created them. But then you will probably say... 'what created God?' ... well even if something did create God.... then God would not be God. The thing that 'created "God"' would actually be God. hehe.. if you catch my drift

No matter how you look at it... there has to be some higher power that created everything. End of story!! so what are you waiting for atheists? You now KNOW that there is a higher power. Why are you going against his word? God has the power to accept you into heaven or to reject you"
- preston08, ChristianForums


"Came back to check my post and got exactly what I expected. Your hearts are hardened, and I only hope God will show you the truth. I know some of the things I said may have not all fitted together (I need to learn more)

The only proof I have of God is that he talks to me in prayer, he lets me know when I am doing something wrong (feel bad after sinning) and that he is starting to answer my prayers. (yes I know, this will not help any of you with the 'proof' thing.)"
- preston08, ChristianForums


"The atheist religion indeed rules...in hell."
- Carico, ChristianForums


"Sometimes I wonder if atheists never open their eyes... This world is so beutifully complex on all levels, I wonder how that could have happened through chance like they seem to belive.. I dont think that I'll ever be able to understand atheists.."
- Wolc, ChristianForums


"They'll find some argument ro reject that also even if their arguments don't make sense. They're very much in the dark and will remain there for all eternity if they don't have the courage to open their eyes."
- Carico, ChristianForums


"Some day you will realise what he was really trying to achieve with that statement... and you will wish you had thanked him then and there."
- Carico, ChristianForums


"Just because you can insert any absurd entity in place of God does not mean you are right in doing so. The fact is you have NO proof whatsoever that there is no God (just a bunch of theories), but we have a book called the Bible. Written by many different people at many different times yet there are no contradictions."
- preston08, ChristianForums


"You say there are so many contradictions... if you look at what is being said in the context to the story, who was writing it, where, why, and to who, etc... you will notice that there are not contradictions. this was not determined by myself, but by my father who has read the Bible many many times."
- preston08, ChristianForums


"Atheists spend a lot of time trying to prove that they know better than God. They do not recognize the words in the bible as being from God. They prefer to believe the truth of their opinions or they wouldn't argue so vehemently for them."
- Carico, ChristianForums


"In human logic it is impossible for there to be no God, but at the same time impossible for there to be a God!!!"
- Bonhoffer, ChristianForums


"Who do you think even made possible your life on earth, Halruaa? Did man create himself? I wonder when you're in a life or death situation that you can't get yourself out of, whom you'll call on to save you."
- Carico, ChristianForums


"Evolution explains complexity about as well as chance would explain a tornado would ripping through a junkyard and miraculously forming a fully functional boeing 747"
- Wally22, ChristianForums


"Ok lets assume the tornado is in the junkyard for a couple of million years..Still doesnt add up. Complexity will never come from chance or nothing. It would be like taking a watch to an indian who has never seen technology like that and then telling him it just happened and no one made it. My point is evolution does NOT explain away God. It tries to but its failing currently.."
- Wally22, ChristianForums


"I believe that evolution doesn't explain away God. For those who believe in evolution, the problem is that if human all follow evolution theory,then human suppose to be stupid and more stupid and our body and brain should become smaller and smaller until what you could imagine. This is because according to evolution theory, human evolve from big apes with huge head or brain and huge size of body, and if according to the speed of human evolve from ape,then now we should just like a small allien and not the one we look likes now where human become smarter and smarter..so I don't believe evolution works at all."
- batikwong, ChristianForums


"I think I should point out that my post wasn't about the solidarity of the [Evolution] theory, it was about the way many people follow the theory without question. Of course scientists wouldn't care if the theory would be proved untrue, that wasn't the point, the point was that many people who believe in it, would deny it's untruth, just like they did 1000's of years ago."
- Lindisfarne, POD Warrior Forum


"Because the universe is expanded Scientists think they've come up with some un-deniable theory of a random 'Big Bang' that in a freak accident created everything we see. They've made up an entire history of the come of earth simply from noting that the universe is expanded."
- Lindisfarne, POD Warrior Forum


"Oh man...that cosmology site is the biggest bunch of unsubstanciated wish projection I've ever seen. Grandiose speculation of Orwellian proportions. ahh, I love big words!"
- hayden, POD Warrior Forum


"ACLU....Defending satanism one day at a time. ACLU = Adversary Chasing Life from Us"
- r8ermang, RaptureReady


"The Holocaust- caused by evolution 
Soviet Death Purges- caused by evolution 
Extreme Nationalism- caused by evolution 
Modern Racism- caused by evolution 
Conflicts of religion are caused by misunderstandings between religions- not the religion itself. However, a theory that advocates survival of the fittest and that races are superior to others is, well, offensive."
- Jedi_Templar, BlizzForums


*** 'Still Against Abortion' Award ***

"Keeping the infants from growing up and spending a eternity in Hell because they would have inevitably turned evil and required punishment sounds like a good circumstance to me. What would be more important to you - keeping an infant alive to spend an eyeblink of time compared to eternity living in a purely corrupt and evil world, only to grow up and most likely turn evil themselves forcing judgement to be cast on them and have them spend eternity in Hell, or end their life prematurely and take them right to Heaven? "
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"Im a 14 year old christian whos currently taking a biology class. Im learning about cells and genes and dna and lotsa crap like that. I find the complexity of our bodies and life on earth amazing. I cant see how anyone could believe that something like this could just result from some prehistoric explosion."
- SAVED316, POD Warrior Forum


*** Post of the Month ***

"I was thinking about evolution and the many scientific laws it violates, and I realized the biggest law it violates- Murphy's Law. Murphy's Law is that 'if anything can go wrong, it will.'

You would have to agree with me that Murphy's Law is a fundemental aspect of everyday life- the bread pops out of the toaster, and falls on the floor. The light turns red as you pull up to the intersection. The plane is delayed due to bad weather. The computer is contaiminated with a virus because you were downloading a bunch of sh*t of a Kazaa. Murphy's Law is the law of chaos, of disorder. Everything goes downhill.

However, evolution has to go against this disorder in the universe. That's the point- something from nothing, life form nonlife, order from chaos."
- Jedi_Templar, BlizzForums


"Atheism... How unoriginal. How easy. One can believe in nothing or anything. Nothing to defend, everthing to defend. Backed into a logical corner - change your position or deny the laws of logic... They worship the scientific priest class and call themselves free thinkers. Free thinkers who are bound by cultural bias and their own uninformed and small world. Yet they rail against anything that does not conform to their small mindedness. No hope and nothing beyond the material. Yes the easiest world view ever invented by man,but also the saddest..."
- seer, TheologyWeb


"Actually many of the Greek philosophers proposed evolutionary ideas, e.g. Anaximander, Epicurus and Empedocles. This also demolishes silly arguments like 'Newton was a creationist merely because there was no alternative.'"
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"Trust Chicky [another poster] to believe in something as outdated as heliocentrism."
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"Islam is also founded and maintained with arrogance. Extreme arrogance! I never heard of Scientology. From the way you describe it..it sounds very superficial and vain."
- Radical, POD Warrior Forum


"O ye of little faith!... Look, it's quite simple: First, a bunch of space goop got together because of magnetic attraction. Then it got wet. Then the wet enlarged, because of the heat from the Sun, into an ocean. Then lightning (probably from the Sun) hit the ocean and caused some of the little squiggly things to come to life. Then a few of them, through natural selection, crawled out onto the beach. Then those that were stronger survived, and became marsupials and antphibians. Then they fought and some died and some reproduced, and the results were called higher Neanderthals. Then they became men with souls and stuff. How? Well, somethng else happened."
- Raphael, RaptureReady


"I was talking with my Mom today and telling her about the EU, Solana ect. and she totally stumped me with this question 'What exactly is the EU?' At first I was like [scratching head smiley]. I told her that I thought they were the European countries beginning to come together as one 'super country'. That their goal was to eventually unify the entire world as one under the AntiChrist. Was this the right answer essentially or am I way off base. They are also anti-America too right? Or is it anti-democracy."
- LisaAnn, RaptureReady


"yeah, you see tons of irish and german people running arouns blowing buildings up for jihad... you're dumb, and you're prolly a wetback too"
- DaReverand, POD Warrior Forum


*** Bizarre Creationist Assertion of the Month ***

"When and how does Evolution makes an asexual ape split into male and female apes? It is logically impossible, unless there is some sort of divine force with us, or any other hypothesis is chipped in with that."
- Anonymous86, Urban Assault HQ


"It is just that Evolution itself cannot prove that there are two different creatures in the same species: male and female. I backed up with the point on that 'mutant' Y chromosome."
- Anonymous86, Urban Assault HQ


"Now, first you mean initially an asexual ape evolved into two different kinds of creatures: male and female. Now, it so incredible that the evolution remained so consistent throughout the ages that male and female remained branched as two radically different creatures."
- Anonymous86, Urban Assault HQ


"And as for apes losing their fur to become humans is that I don't get why the more hair/fur you have on your skin the stupidier you are. It makes no sense."
- Anonymous86, Urban Assault HQ


"I don't know anything much about science, having learnt only Evolution so far. One of the reasons why I suddenly stop believing in Evolution is because something deep within my heart told me"
- Anonymous86, Urban Assault HQ


"Twist the truth if you want. I may be twisting the truth myself but I don't care 'cause I am still gonna believe in what I say no matter what you say... If you had not bother to counter what I say about the contradictions in Evolution then I have nothing to say but secretly in my mind I am actually winning the debate. What a waste of time debating with people who are blindly rebutting me without defending their weak points..."
- Anonymous86, Urban Assault HQ


"Paving the way for the guillotine/beheading?... In recent months, death penalty opponents and some defense attorneys have begun new protests of the country's most common execution method, saying the deadly drug combination used by most states to kill death row inmates may be causing, and masking, excruciating pain."
- Charity4Ever, RaptureReady


"The point is that eventually lethal injections will no longer be used, but that people will be beheaded. I have no idea what will come in between, but things will change... Revelation 20:4 _And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus..."
- Charity4Ever, RaptureReady


"Revelation 20:4 Talks about beheading. The idea of modern day execution by guillotine fits in with scripture."
- Walter, RaptureReady


"When the AC [Antichrist] re-institutes beheadding - the guillotine makes the most sense, but it's not specified in scriptures that is what they will use. Only makes sense in that it's an assembly line execution method and you can murder hundreds in a day without breaking a sweat. It will be instituted as much for the horror value as for religious cleansing. How many will turn to Christ when they see their parent, their spouse, their sibling, their child, their friend loose their head in the executions?"
- mikitta, RaptureReady


"With beheadings it's over real quickyour killed instantly when the blade comes down. This method will probably be used to save ammo. for the AC's war effort."
- eaglex, RaptureReady


"I believe beheading will be the method of choice for several of the reasons already stated:

- Cheap. With potentially MILLIONS if not billions of people to execute, that could add up to A LOT of bullets, or lethal chemicals, or what ever method.

- Effective. They want people to be so terrified of the punishment that they will be willing to accept the mark/AC.

- In the early stages of getting the people to accept this method, it could be said that this is the only humane method that leaves healthy organs for transplants...which are desperately needed.

- Occult beliefs are that the only way to keep an 'undesirable' from returning in the afterlife is to remove the head from the body. So, they believe that by doing this they are eliminating us pesky christians for good.

It wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being half-time entertainment."
- Amity, RaptureReady


"If the AC is planning on killing in mass numbers (which I assume to be the case) he will need shock value and speed. Lethal injection takes too long and I seriously doubt there will be calls for leniancy (sp) on behalf of a Chirstian."
- Beaker, RaptureReady


"No they won't, they say little kindergartener's are horrible for praying over their food in a school cafetaeria and passing out bibles in school is forcing others to believe as we do. [Both examples of mistaken Religious Right propaganda, of course.] The ACLU is a god hating instituiton and it is intent on destroying any expression AT ALL of Jesus in the open. Satan OWNS the ACLU."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


"To say the ACLU will help in your rights as a Christian is not true. The ACLU hates God and wants to completely erase God from anywhere. soon, they will have their America hating ways open to the public and their desire to destroy our way of life will be exposed. I pray for those in the 'AVLU, but I pray for the destruction of the evil of the ACLU organization."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


*** Slanderous Rant of the Month ***

"Not one word was said [by the American Civil Liberties Union] when the California schools (read government) promoted the Islamic religion. NOt one word! Hypocrites and I still pray for the destruction of this worthless union. Of course Muslims is supported, while Christianity is attacked. they are a false prophet religion. Hello!!!!!!!!!

They are God haters. They do nothing spectacular, just doing what any lawyer could do. But their desire to completely trash the morals and decency of this country is obvious.

They hate you and me and all that we stand for. Their idea of a perfect America is a falied atheist system and the crushing of the spirit and life of anyone who will not bow down to their Godless lives.

We have shown them for what they are. Godless haters of anything moral and right. If you can't see that, from all that we have shown, just since i have been here, then that is your problem.

They attack and harrass and intimidate in the Mafia way anything that is good and decent or even remotely related to Christianity. They promote the raping of children, and the Rapers. The harrassment of little children and their beliefs and they would rather see this country in the mire of it's filth than have one mention of God.

Their god is satan and he OWNS them.

so what if they defended a HANDFUL of [Christian] cases (a small HANDFUL), they still hate you and me. They are no different than the Communists who killed those who would not bow down to their ways. they just can't kill us legally, yet.

Their judgment is coming for their rejection of and forcing of any mention of God in this world into hiding. Hypocrites and child raper promoters. Their time is coming if they do not repent.

They stand for everything sick, immoral and evil."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


*** Post of the Week, January 11-17 ***

"I was so shocked when I realized my own mother thought we (Muslims & us) worshipped the same God. I talked to her for some time about the differences and she was devastated because she'd befriended a Pakistani woman a work (who is Muslim). My mom just didn't know any better. I felt so sorry for her."
- Blessedx4, RaptureReady


"If Jesus were the president of this country he would NOT pander to other religions in an effort to make them more comfortable, he would NOT suggest that there is more than one way, he would NOT APPLAUD, SUPPORT or BE 'PROUD OF' (the absurdity of it staggers the imagination) the promotion of other people going to HELL!!"
- Angyl, RaptureReady


*** Pot and Kettle Prize ***

"who cares what catholics think. When has anyone cared.With the fables they believe in, they are waste of believers time"
- needhimforever, RaptureReady


"... but in defense of needHimforever,,,,,, when was the last time anyone here TRIED to talk to a catholic about the second c omeing ? ,,,, or about mary worship, and her iimmaculate birth, on any theological issue,,,, everytime i have tried,,, i find out how totoally closed their minds are,,,so totally that they cannont even recogonze the churches COMPLETE APOSTOSY."
- solookup, RaptureReady


"its worse than talking to an atheiset,, atheist's dont have 2000 years of heresy to debunk before one can even get to salvation by grace through faith.,,,, they have a pope and mary walll that i have never been able to get past... i have been discourged to the point of not even trying anymore with the ones i know personally."
- solookup, RaptureReady


"i still hope for my catholic freinds,, but as soon as you question their beliefs about mary , ect, their pride jumps up and walls them off. i dont think there is enough time to get through to them, the ones i know."
- solookup, RaptureReady


"I referring more to the stubborn wannabe [Catholic] apologetics who when shown black on white, refuse to believe, and go on reguritating the lies theyve been programmed to believe in. And as far as comments about true believers in the catholic religion, I say Not possible. You cant claim Jesus as lord, and satan as well."
- needhimforever, RaptureReady


*** 'Death by Irony Overdose' Certificate ***

"If the Muslims are so confident in their Quran, then they should not be afraid for people to comment on things they may find wrong with the wording, but instead they kill them. Doesn't sound like confidence in the Quran to me. From the beginning the authors knew it could not stand up under scrutiny, so they killed anyone who dared question its authenticity."
- Jesus Groupie, RaptureReady


"The man is a closet-catholic at best. An agent of Satan at worst."
- Angyl, RaptureReady


"What Qualities and Characteristics of God Do People Who Hate God Hate Most And Why?... If these people choose Satan instead of God does that mean they love Satan more than God or do they just hate God more than they hate Satan? I just can’t understand why anyone would rather be a drone for Satan instead of reaping great eternal rewards from God."
- Stevangelist, RaptureReady


*** Alternate Bizarro Universe Award ***

"But why would they [Norton Internet Security] label the Rapture Index page specifically as 'Intolerant'?... I have seen no intolerance there. Or anywhere else on Rapture Ready."
- A.Rachel, RaptureReady


"many espouse ' deism ' and ' evolution ' as long as their health , occupation , and mental faculties are within proper design peramaters .... many change their mind on their death bed ....."
- pmarquette, ChristianForums


"Who wishes to make such a simple blunder in elementary logic, as to say that we believe something to be true because it is in the Bible? Our answer to this is briefly that we prefer to reason in a circle to not reasoning at all. We hold it to be true that circular reasoning is the only reasoning that is possible to finite man. The method of implication as outlined above is circular reasoning. Or we may call it spiral reasoning. We must go round and round a thing to see more of its dimensions and to know more about it, in general, unless we are larger than that which we are investigating. Unless we are larger than God we cannot reason about him any other way, than by a transcendental or circular argument."
- randy777, TheologyWeb


"The only people who become truly possessed are the people who welcome it with open arms and open eyes. Those who seek 'enlightenment' for one. That's a joke that goes back as far as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."
- Blackwidow, BlizzForums


"Your contradictions are pathetic attempts at convincing a Christian the Bible is errant. I've heard all your dumb arguments before, and I'm not even a tad bit closer to trusting man over God. And you know whats completely ridiculous? Apes turning into humans!! OMG it is so stupid. Like out of a science fiction book!"
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


*** Post of the Week, January 18-24 ***

"It's the demon that possesses them... The homosexuals aren't in love. They rape each other, tearing each other's asses. You think that's love? You think that's natural? That's two demons working mutually to destroy the bodies of the humans they hate so much. You don't believe any of it. It's all fanatic b.s, right? You read the Bible and think, 'B.S.' It's gibberish. Of course, you couldn't understand it. They're already under your skin... Tell me, do you hear things sometimes? Do you hear the voice(s)? They want you."
- Blackwidow, BlizzForums


"You convince them you don't exist. No. Satan isn't real. Demons are supernatural myths. Everything the Christians say, claiming the Bible to be true, you don't believe it. You're... enlightened. Tremble, mortals, and despair. Satan rules this planet. If you see the clues. Every cult from the builders of a dark tower to the druids to the Aztecs and now the Muslims. Allah isn't a god of peace. He's a god of war. He's Allah. He's Baal. He's Lucifer. He's Satan. He's Mephisto. He's Diablo... If you could only put on magic glasses and look at the serial killer in shackles... You would see darkness; putrid, black slime that burns eternally. You would see the faces in that darkness. The faces twisted in rage and agony. Every day we draw nearer to days of Revelation, people. Most of you... are just too blind to see it... If you can't see by now, you're already lost."
- Blackwidow, BlizzForums


"Thankyou for posting the link it is about time someone took the time to study the Koran and Islam and actually write about the truth. Unfortunately until the blinders of deceipt are lifted off of many they may not even give this excellent analysis a view."
- sydneyoo7, RaptureReady


"See, living fossils (like the coelcanth and the Loch Ness monster) prove that there haven't been millions of years, because if there had been millions of years, such creatures would have died long ago, or at least have evolved into a new form... Just a thought."
- Jedi_Templar, BlizzForums


*** Apologetic Rationalization of the Month ***

[Explaining why Mosaic law allowed some rape victims to be stoned] "Naturally, it's not obvious now, but then if a woman (virgin woman) is having sex with someone with no effort in getting away even though she's in a well-populated area, she was probably just screwing with the political power of her household (because rape was a primarily political act)."
- Elric, BlizzForums


"If you believe that science books are based on documented fact, Mechanical, then you really are easily deceived. Scientists change their minds daily about these 'facts'. the fact that unbelievers believe the words of scientists who have admitted that thy err all the time, more than the bible which has never been disproven shows me that they prefer to believe errors more than truth. That is not only irrational but shows that they have a hard time discerning fact from fiction."
- Carico, ChristianForums


"I think its kinda hypocritical that school would teach evolution and not about God, evolution is not a fact its a belief no doctor, scientist ect have any cold hard facts that evolution took place so they have to have faith to believe that, so in a way its a religion, that is teached around in school. at least God is a more intelligent argument I mean the World cannot get up and say well im going to make myself today..."
- tek, Internet Infidels


"The fool saith in his heart there is no God... I want to tell you that God exist and God created the world, evolution is not a fact its a religion, you have to have faith to believe in evolution. The bible ALL of its prophecies have come true. Take a look around you if we were any closer to the sun we would all burn to death, think please... all I have to say is that the best explanation is God exist, I mean thinking we all came from monkeys lol I woulnt be going around telling people im related to BOBO from the bronx zoo. no PROOF, BIG BANG, no proof lol yea the world just got up and walked and said im gonna make myself that makes sence (notice the sarcasm) Creatism is the best argument no doubt about it. P.S. God Bless everyone"
- tek, Internet Infidels


"First evolution points nowhere, How does evolution provide facts that god don't exist, It is just saying we all came from apes. who created the apes ? And also how come there arent any apes changing into men now ? I heard even Darwin in his death bed admitted that it was bull he regreted he ever said that."
- tek, Internet Infidels


"Doesnt it take an INTELLIGENT being to say men need to walk or just another beautiful coincidence, monkey did it ? I can go on and on, mountains and all its beautiful designs, or beautiful coincidence ? I'm just trying to say that creatism is the most intelligent argument in my opinion."
- tek, Internet Infidels


"I cant argue with all you, I know the truth I hope God will show it to you, Your argument is you make your own facts to disprove the real facts, and theres no winning with that. Its like blind man leading the blind and falling to a ditch"
- tek, Internet Infidels


[Replying to 'Has anyone blown up a building... in the name of athiesm?] "All the time. People have set off bombs lots of places because they hate the goverment, McVay did."
- The Symbol, Fark.com Comments


"Atheism IS a religion because you're acknowledging that you are a part of a group of similar thinking people who all believe in one common truth (or at least you think it's truth): God is not existant. I don't see how you can't call it a religion."
- OMGZERGRUSH, Fark.com Comments


"Is contraception right?... all types are wrong! Even before conception and teh baby is alive, you are preventing what would have become a life! God meant for a baby to be born, another soul for Heaven, and you are stopping Him!... If someone doesn't want a baby (for unselfish reasons), there are better ways to take care of it. Obviously, you could not have sex at all."
- bookluver12, gp4teens.com Discussion Boards


"You guys are all looking at this selfishly. You have to think about the life involved... If you can believe one-celled amoeba and paramecium are alive (which they are--you can ask your science teacher that, too), then you should definitely be able to believe a one-called baby is alive!"
- bookluver12, gp4teens.com Discussion Boards


"bookluver12, Thank you so much for making this post!! The wrongs of contraception are so overlooked... Contraception, being a means of preventing the birth of another of God's creations, is very wrong, indeed."
- God is the Reason, gp4teens.com Discussion Boards


"Contraception is also very wrong. Someone actually died when taking one"
- excalibur, gp4teens.com Discussion Boards


"Contraception is wrong! That is taking a future unborn baby's life into your own hands, or you and your spouse's hands. Nope..sorry, but you aren't the Almighty One and that's NOT your job. Not to sound rude, but it wouldn't kill today's society to learn self-discipline!!!"
- sing Him a song, gp4teens.com Discussion Boards


"Speciation is not evolution. Proving speciation does not prove evolution... humans are not primates but area specific and special creation by God... All I ask is to have you follow the Scientific method and evolve me something. Anything!!! Observe something evolve from one species to another, test to seeif it really happened and retest that evolutionary feat enough times to verify it."
- Rom831, RaptureReady [Emphasis added]


"The FACT is Specieation DOES NOT EVOLVE ANYTHING. You start with a dog, you end with a dog. Start with a bacteria, end with a bacteria. Start with a fly, end with a fly. Start with a primate, end with a primate. THAT'S NOT EVOLUTION!!!!"
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"All I have to deny is the magic wand you try to wave over speciation to get it to equal evolution. Because that is all you have. The problem is your faith in the lie of evolution is not strong enough to admit the truth. If it was you could admit the obvious truth and it wouldn't effect your devotion to your religously held faith."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"All it would take to end this argument is for them to ADMIT that it takes faith to believe you can ever get a NON DOG from a dog and we could go our separate ways..."
- Angyl, RaptureReady


[Replying to 'Show me the scripture where God defines primate?'] "'Primate' is a man-made term that man uses incorrectly to classify primates and man together. I cannot shgow you scripture on primates because there is none because God does not ever classify man and animals together... again it is a label man improperly uses to label us the same as animals. This is false, we are not... Besides, calling man and ape both primates very much IS classifying them as relatives of evolution which is counter to God's Word."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


[Replying to 'Humans are primates by definition'] "That's the problem...humans thinking their definition... This goes beyond simple categorization to just about everything science does. Some scientist saying I am a primate 'by definition' does not automatically make it fact. It's still an opinion until that scientist can claim to know absolutely everything about every difference and nuance in both primates and humans."
- Angyl, RaptureReady


"The reason why you can not LUMP humans and apes together in the same general category like that... A soul. Tis why we are not primates... We are above ALL these things in a way far more grand than you can likely comprehend... So there's your answer. Basically it boils down to yes, I have hands like an ape, am a mammal (another one of MAN's definitions) like an ape, and have a 'large' brain like an ape. But an ape is an animal along with every other primate... Debase yourself into the same category as chimps if you want. When I go to the zoo I'll be happy to say hello to your relatives for you."
- Angyl, RaptureReady


"Because it [primate] incorrectly classifies man in the same category as a monkey. If I made a definition that put man and dump trucks in the same ancestorial line doesn't mean that it'd be right... Just as humans are still Dump Trucks, right? Mobile, have motors, two round things on thier face and one input mechanism for air, both have gas and are full of garbage. Yep, humans are by definition, dump trucks. "
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"God shows that we and primates are not the same, period... But we're going right back to why I normally do not respond to you. You simply ignore what is said and insist on what you continue to preach."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Ok, then by definition we are also bananas since our DNA matches up better than 50% and dump trucks for the reasons I stated earlier. At best all you are describing is how stupid such a classification [primates] is."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Is my example silly? Yes. But no sillier than trying to classify humans and bananas in any similar group or humans and apes. We are special creations. Primates were created by God's word, we were created by God's hand's."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Excellently put!! Don't you people see it?... I'm sure you'll want to try to deny that's the truth but your words would be a lie and I'm sure you know it. We're called primates and animals by scientists as a part of the evolution ploy and scheme. It is debasing the way it is meant, degrading, and completely unagreeable... Once again, we AGREE that there are similarities between us and apes. Doesn't give you the right to call me an animal, though anymore than the similarities between me and a garbage truck give you the right to call me a car."
- Angyl, RaptureReady


"When God made them [stars]... The light from them...was HERE already. God 'stretched out the heavens.' Tell me...what would be the point of even putting that phrase in the Bible if not to explain these things to scientists thousands of years later??? "
- Angyl, RaptureReady


"Where I intrepret what God says, yes, I most definately can be wrong. However, I don't intrepret Gen 1 and 2. I read it exactly as God has said. If it is wrong, it is God who is wrong."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Oh my heck, I cannot believe you posted this same garbage yet again!!! For the umpteenth time, I AGREE there was a solid dome of water [over the Earth, as the Bible and ancient Babylonian cosmology describes]... Get it?"
- Rom831, RaptureReady


[Replying to 'So you really believe there was a solid dome!!!'] "duh... Bible doesn't say how thick it was and what kept it from falling could have been the simple weighlessness of space, ya know?"
- Angyl, RaptureReady


"The problem is that this [pre-Genesis creation myths] is wrong. The Genesis 'story' was around from when God created the earth. It was there from the very first man created ever, Adam. Nothing predates it because there was nothing before it."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Just tell this person that one of you is right and one is wrong. You can't both be right. Either God is real or He isn't. You who believe have nothing to lose but the unbeliever has everything to lose if they are wrong."
- Dianne Donnelly, RaptureReady


"Diane, those are wise words. I will remember them next time. Thanks!"
- faith4ever, RaptureReady


"How is it [creating a seemingly old universe] a deception when God tells us He did it? A deception would be to do something and ty to decieve someone into believing you did it another way. But God tells us exactly how and when He did it. There is only a 'deception' if you refuse to listen to God's Word and then blame Him for it."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"I have the word of God almighty, creator of everything, who is incapable of telling anything other than the truth. And before you once again rehash the same argument, yes I believe there was a solid dome of water over the earth..."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"But you choose to use your brains while ignoring the word of the smartest being ever who so happens to be the one who did all the things you are trying to figure out. You instead prefer to rely on the wisdom of this world and ignore true wisdom in order to build your belifes upon."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


*** 'Denying Science for the Heck of it' Award ***

[Replying to 'you know absolutely nothing about what causes a supernova'] "Apparently we know more than you. GOD causes them. If it weren't for God, you would have none. I dare to say that what the process God uses to do this is so far more complex than you or any group of your scientists can contemplate that your pitiful 'knowledge' on the subject is humorous at best."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Oh really? Lets compare knowledge. Take your IQ and add it to the IQ of every one of your sources... compared to God, you know just short of nothing which is also what we know compared to God. Yet you have the gall to claim to know better than He in how supernovae come about and how we are able to see them. And you wonder why we don't listen?"
- Rom831, RaptureReady


[Replying to a theistic evolutionist Christian saying 'you are using the Bible to "prove" the Bible'] "Scripture is God's Word. Deal with it... You have progressed beyond believing God. That is called herasy. Once again, you can choose to believe the wisdom of the world, but God Himself calls that foolish. You may choose to be foolish, myself, I'll submit to true wisdom."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Does anyone else think Christianity will be forced underground within next 5 years?.. They are using words like 'bigoted' 'intolerant' 'hate-filled' when the Bible is preached... What do you think will happen if we're here another 5 years?"
- Blessedx4, RaptureReady


"Do you guys remember reading accounts in the Bible about Sodom and Gommorah, and another account where the homosexuals violently tried to accomplish their will? I see it going that way- Read the account of the Baptist church?-"
- CAT, RaptureReady


"... I don’t think it is too hard to imagine us Christians having to go underground within the next 5 years. People are becoming too angry and too hateful for it not to become reality unless a miracle happens."
- Stevangelist, RaptureReady


"I believe that most true Christians who follow the faith are already underground... Can you talk to your neighbor without being persecuted? Can you speak with anyone that you know who is not already a Christian without being persecuted?.. christians will have to go underground in the next 5 years, I would have to answer YES. It is happening now!"
- LoadShark, RaptureReady


"I think that it will be actually considered 'underground' when EVERYONE is hunting us down. As long as we can still speak person to person about Christ openly we aren't underground. As Medic said, we can still do that. Some are afraid to do so, but it's still allowed. Sure, some try to sue, but there isn't a price on our heads for doing it."
- jesusvictorious, RaptureReady


"Underground could mean basement or home churches but that's not really what I'm talking about. By underground I do literally mean where we have to hide our faith or else perhaps face job loss, lawsuits & even jail."
- Blessedx4, RaptureReady


"If Hillary wins in 2004...yeah, we be toast."
- MrMannn, RaptureReady, referring to widespread anti-Christian persecution


"If we are still here in five years, yes I believe there is a good chance that we will be 'underground' and that the Bible and other Christian literature will be illegal."
- pilgrimgal, RaptureReady


"My answer is YES. And I think that it is already happening. IMHO."
- Captain Ray, RaptureReady


"Captain Ray and Kathy Mendel i completely agree with you. Its already happening."
- oyster_777, RaptureReady


"The church won't be completely underground, buy the seculars will do something like, 'OK, you can go to your silly churches, but you better shut up about it once you leave the building or we're gonna slap a fine on you!'"
- Purple Kitten, RaptureReady


"Christianity altogether may not be outlawed, but a watered down, politically correct, morally relativistic version may be all that society will be able to 'legally tolerate' within the next few years. The trend against us has been steadily building for years, thanks to the liberal media and the anti-religio facists in the ACLU. I think someday soon we may have to head back to the catacombs.....or to the basements in this case."
- Duster1970, RaptureReady


"Well, based on the stories in the news of the persecution beginning here in America, and the shenanigans of the ACLU, I say it's already begun...."
- byHisGrace, RaptureReady


"The changes over the last 10 years tell me it is possible. We have let ourselves get to where we are because we never thought it would happen here. While we had our back turned the devil slid right in and got the ball a rolling. Straight down hill right at us... I live in a small town in the SE corner of Kansas, and yet I have been having a reaccuring dream that 3 men come into my church with guns to kill us for our faith."
- savedandhappy1, RaptureReady


"some long time catholic friends of my family say the virgin mary told the people there would be three days of intense darkness and the evil spirits would run rampant on the earth. That the faithful are to stay in their homes and draw the shades to keep the evil out and to not let anyone in during that time even if it is a friend or family member because they might be possessed of the devil...I kid you not...my mouth dropped open when I heard that...I even read this little booklet about it...."
- halfcent, RaptureReady


"OK people, the shroud [of Turin] is definitely a fake and there is no doubt about it. You see, back in Jesus' days when people were buried the custom was for them to be buried with '2' cloths not 1... when peter entered the tomb he found 'two' cloths, 1 to each side of the resting place. There is your scriptural proof, any scientific proof can have errors, but the bible has no errors."
- sam_k1989, ChristianForums


*** Post of the Week, January 25-31 ***

"Gandalf's magic is totally invented, not based in reality(like Harry Potter is). The Bible does not say that fiction or make-believe is evil, it says that the real thing, real magic, is evil. Also, just because I watch Gandalf do his magic does not mean that I am going to go out and try it myself and believe that I am capable of magic."
- Golfinguy, NucleusWeb


"The closest any kid will ever get to becoming Gandalf is to watch the movies, read the books, play video games, and use their imagination. The closest you can get to being Harry Potter is becoming a witch. Casting spells, fortune telling, tarot cards... In one word: witchcraft. LOTR is plain old fantasy, no way it can become real. Harry Potter CAN become real; witchcraft is very real."
- Sleuth_Girl4Christ, The Seven Project Discussion Forums


[After a small meteor hits Iran] "What was it Iran said about 'sweeping Israel into the sea' two weeks ago?"
- Medic911, RaptureReady


"God is speaking !!! Is anyone listening??"
- 4everHis, RaptureReady


"One very interesting comment I read on an Islamic message board about the Iran earthquake was this: 'Allah is angry'. Now a meteor? Maybe Allah is angry!"
- Duchess, RaptureReady


"The problem is, there just isnt no allah. So thats why they think he is angry, will they just realize this before its to late."
- KnightsTemplar, RaptureReady


"wow is right....a huge earthquake then a meteror..ok something is going on over there [shocked smiley] I truly htink things are going to start getting crazy...all over the world....but NO ONE is listening...sad."
- stephanne909, RaptureReady


"That is very interesting-Maybe Iran was making plans in secret to move against Israel-"
- CAT, RaptureReady


"I see whats happening too well. Iran should be an example to those terroistic unrepentant nations around them to get on their hands and knees and ask for The Lords forgiveness (the true G-d that is) ...but I seriously doubt they will."
- Joyfilly, RaptureReady


"This Christoph guy [a German scholar arguing the Quran comes from many writers] couldn't be more wrong in his interpretation of the Quran. It is most definitely a supernatural book. And it was most definitely a direct revelation from Allah to his prophet Muhammed... The Quran is Satan's response to The Bible... When you seek the real truth objectively, instead of just trying to secularize everything, the real truth becomes very clear. Islam is Satan's thorn he has pressed into Christianity's side throughout history... Satan actually designed the words to be spoken most poetically in Arabic. That is how they gained many very early converts. People thought the words sounded so beautiful and poetic that they had to have come from God. Sounds like first-class deception to me!! Satan....come out come out wherever you are!!"
- Ham, RaptureReady


"And doesn't occam's razor state, all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one?.. the simplest explanation is a superior being speaking the universe into existence. General relativity, and the Big Bang is hardly what I call a 'simple' explanation."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"If the Bible is not true, why is it so universally regarded as the 'Good Book'?"
- Beowulf210, Open Forum Debate


[Arguing against the Big Bang] "To my knowledge, one element cannot create another element. How did the elements of the Periodic Table evolve from hydrogen and helium?"
- Beowulf210, Open Forum Debate


*** 'Most Edumacated Creationist' Trophy ***

"[Nuclear] Fusion converts a solid into a liquid. There is a change in state (solid, liquid, or gas), perhaps into compounds, but I have not heard about a single element creating a new element. You need to show your sources and be much more specific."
- Beowulf210, Open Forum Debate


"Let me pause here and say that this website ['Biblical Prophecies Indicating Napoleon is the Messiah!'] is a mockery of the omniscience of God... The website only quotes parts of a passage. Even Satan quoted parts of the Scripture, but not all of it, in order to suit his purposes with lies."
- Beowulf210, Open Forum Debate


"The evolution theory has been made so people can either believe in God or not and still have the same theory, so the existence of God is irrelevant. It is not based on reality, but on the wish that there isn't a God that we're accountable to. Which is why I think it's strange for Christians to accept this theory, since it's underlying purpose is to destroy the need for God. "
- lastbreath, Megatokyo Forums


"There is more than enough proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together (human and dino footprints found together, many many ancient drawings of people riding dinosaurs, the Bible's reference to taming a dinosaur)."
- lastbreath, Megatokyo Forums


"How did black and white skin happen? There's a few theories on this, but mine is (but I'm not dead-set on it) the Tower of Babel when God gave a different languages to people. Maybe he made the races then as well."
- lastbreath, Megatokyo Forums


"You apparently assume I reject every aspect of evolution. Evolution just means change over time. Peoples hair color evolves if they are out in the sun a lot. I don't reject every aspect of evolution there is."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


[Replying to 'your example is not evolution'] "Based on the basic definition of evolution it is, which is my point. It may not be the 'theory' of evolution, but it is evolution none the less."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"society which accepts the idea that the origin of the cosmos could be explained in terms of an explosion, reveals more about the society itself than about the universe. humans did not evolve from Blobs, they did not 'evolve' from fishes, this is not reality, the first humans looked exactly like us today as the human race looked 2000 years ago... The though of evolution from monkies or green blobs from the sea and that they teach evolution in schools as fact is beyond belief."
- 3visiblephotons, 4Forums.com




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