Fundies Say the Darndest Things! March 2003 Edition
Last Updated April 23, 2003



"At the same time the two religions [Buddhism and Islam] created a group of followers that would believe their teaching hands down, thus they could create a way of life that best fit their needs and wants. The believers of these religions, and the present day leaders of them may really believe, but can we say that for Buddha and Muhammad. If you examine the points at which they founded their respectful religions, and see that there were no witnesses to these miraculous events, you will see that the motivations for the creation of these religions can not be proved. If these events never took place then these religions are nothing but a means to control the people who decided to follow them. There is nothing wrong with wanting to create a safer, more respectful society, but it shouldn't be done at the expense of people's salvation."
- The Controlling Nature of False Religions


"There's a kid on the bus that I ride that is very obnoxious and disliked ('1776' rolls through my head). We'll call him 'James.' He oftentimes makes fun of me b/c of my liking of Christian music, esp. dc talk. Well, this morning he went even further. He started ranting about how Christians were 'the b*st*rds that have screwed up this country' and stuff like that, and he kept ranting 'Christian!' Obviously directed at me.

My question: Is it possible that he's got a demon in him? It seems to be the only possible explanation. I could very likely see it in him, but I'm not entirely sure. Please help!"
- chris_h, RaptureReady


"There's always a chance that it could be the case.It has been interesting when I've had to deal with any student in my Christian reform program that was demon possessed.They were the ones who were more willing to be combative and confrontational towards staff as well as towards other students.One of the things that you can do is pray about this situation."
- Mongoose60, RaptureReady


*** Post of the Week for March 30-April 5, 2003 ***

"Hey Chris, I can maybe think of one sure way to know. Slip some holy water into something that he drinks. If you get a weird reaction he might be [possessed]."
- bulldog989, RaptureReady


[In a thread about a newly-discovered 6000-year old skeleton near the Dead Sea] "Wonder if it was Adam???"
- cameron222, RaptureReady


"I know you are probably just kidding but, for others who don't know.....Adams bones would have been destroyed during Noah's flood."
- Denise, RaptureReady


"Not necessarily if they were properly sealed in some cave. We find entire dinosaur skeletons today and they too we killed in the worldwide flood."
- cameron222, RaptureReady


"Another take on the subject .... ...when Jesus was resurrected, the graves opened and gave forth their dead....wouldn't this have included Adam and anyone who died before His resurrection????"
- barb, RaptureReady


"Isn't it funny how those dinosaur bone hold up for 65,000,000 years........

If those creatures were that old they would be buried miles under the Earth and not found in some cases just a few feet deep.....

But don't expect to hear that in Biology class......"
- cameron222, RaptureReady


"That figure you cite is 'assigned.' In other words, made up. Speculation.

You will not find a 65,000,000 year old creature (intact)in three feet of dirt.

You guys need to think, rather than accepting what some 'expert' has to say."
- cameron222, RaptureReady


"You claim the evolutionary process produces both simplicity and its opposite, complexity. That’s having your cake and eating it too. It’d be like some disingenuous Christians who claim that even when God does bad things those actions are really good because God did them. Just as good and evil become meaningless terms when evil can be good and good can be evil depending upon who commits them, so too does the evolutionary process become a non-process if we must believe that it can produce X and also produce the opposite of X."
- Albert Cipriani, Internet Infidels


[Replying to 'What's "evolutionism"?'] "You do not have a dictionary? Perhaps you could use one on the internet. Evolutionism is a theory of biological evolution, especially that formulated by Charles Darwin."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"According to classic darwinism, humans evolved from the ape. That turned out not to be true, so according to neo darwinism, man and ape evolved from a common something."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"There is no possibility of salvation apart from Christ. I see no indication that God 'communicates' with certain people who haven't heard the gospel in order that they can be saved. All men are sinners against God--He owes them nothing. If they go to Hell, it is a result of their sin, so God is still just."
- joelkaki, TheologyWeb


"if he tries to come on to you just tell him to buzz off coz your not that way inclined , and tell him you have no problem with him being like this as long he leaves you alone .

I think that's why most of us don't like homo's , coz they always step over the line."
- Brain Damage, ChristianForums


[After a reprimand for the above comment] "Well! forgive 'ME'! according to your theory i can't speak against murderers in case a murderer is reading this . Wouldn't want to offend him would i . "
- Brain Damage, ChristianForums


"I think evolution is scientifically impossible. The simple fact is, DNA can not change itself."
- JKD practitioner, Tung-Fu Serious Discussion


*** Post of the Week for March 23-29, 2003 ***

"Why? Because there has not yet been enough evidence for macroevolution presented. There has been sufficient evidence for the resurrection."
- spl_cadet, TheologyWeb


"I think that technology is evil and it is a sin to knowingly support it."
- Lorren, RaptureReady


"We need to screen airline passengers and be alert and do searches when appropriate but it is overkill when a non-Arab person is not permitted to take one sewing needle aboard a long flight."
- Katydid278, RaptureReady


"Well, since you must ask, Lauren, yes, I would think you COULD kill someone with a 1 inch sewing needle. Jab it in them and drag it.... jab it in their eye."
- TN Jeni, RaptureReady


"I am sure there are atheists that convert to Christianity all the time. What about the apostle Paul?"
- Merqutio, RaptureReady


"I understand that you believe what you are saying. But you only believe it cause you refuse to open you eyes up to the Truth of God."
- Elizabeth_S, RaptureReady


[To a person who exposed the poster's antics on an incest victim support message board] "This individual is the ultimate sodomite sicko - twisted, angry, vicious, diseased in body, mind and soul and rebellious towards The Creator.

There comes a time in every sinner's life when GOD draws a line and, if that sinner chooses to step over it into darkness, is given over to his/her demonaic delusions.

This individual - a child of the devil - is one such case. May GOD have mercy on his/her soul, because JESUS is going to send this individual's black soul to burn in hell for all eternity."
- Robert, BaptistWatch


"God did not take the lives of the Egyptian firstborn unjustly and no one can argue that He didn't give them plenty of warning."
- Jinx72, TheologyWeb


"The ability [of the Archer fish] to shoot [water at insects] could have been used to dislodge plant matter before the fall, and the Hebrew word for living creatures may not extend to insects, which would mean this was not a case of death before the fall. "
- Micaiah, ChristianForums


"hhmm interesting. the pharoahs were known for not recording anything that made them look bad so that may explain why there is no evidence in Egypt. maybe all the Isrealite stuff has rotted.I mean they didn t have a lot of metal stuff. I guess you will just have to take it on faith. That s what the Mormans do when confronted with the fact that no one has ever found the tribes that supposedly lived on our continent"
- Didymus, ChristianForums


"If Christianity is true (which it is), then Christians are not brain-washing their children, but those who live in spiritual blindness and death are the ones who brainwash their children or others."
- bluetrinity, ChristianForums


"I would do exactly what I pleased all the time [if God didn't exist]. If I needed money, I would steal it from my shareholders or my bank. If I needed a woman, I would lie, cheat and steal to get one. And since I am fairly smart, I would probably get away with it. At least for a long time. And, if I get caught, I would lie and blame others, like the media, my parents or my ex-girlfriend. I would every moment of my life be concerned with myself and my own personal needs and desires.

I mean why shouldn't I?"
- bluetrinity, ChristianForums


"If I have your money that's good for me. And without God, that's all that matters. So why shouldn't I kill you, if I can get away with it? Where do you get your idea that I shouldn't? Just because poor little you may get hurt?"
- bluetrinity, ChristianForums


"...most evolutionists are too intellectually lazy and dishonest to represent their opponents correctly..."
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"It does not matter to me one way or the other what people think about the inquisition. I just read what the catholic encyplodia had to say about it and I found it interesting that there seems to be another side of story. That maybe, just maybe some good came out of it."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"You don't need the Bible for that [belief in the Resurrection] - common sense is all you need."
- kerri, RaptureReady


"There are many proven miracles. Go into any christian book shop and you will see books testifying to them."
- undead, TheologyWeb


"And since Thailand & Cambodia are budhist countries, then do you really expect God to be performing [amputation-healing] miracles there? "
- undead, TheologyWeb


*** Post of the Week for March 16-22, 2003 ***

"For me, the best evidence that Genesis is correct and evolution is false lies in the areas of genetics, biology, chemistry, geology and paleontology."
- Socratism, TheologyWeb


"Do you not find it at all disconcerting that you are arguing with all the atheists [for evolution]?? As a 'Christian' I would imagine that this would throw up a red flag for you. "
- Snowball, TheologyWeb


"Out of curiosity, who made up that claim that extraordinary claims demands extraordinary evidence? Why is that so, because some human decided to make up there own rules?"
- Magus55, RaptureReady


"We see you're incapable of anything but closed minded logic."
- chrislb, RaptureReady


"So you haven't seen my risen lord and I haven't seen your big bang. You can throw proof and speculation just as well as I can to support our own view and tear down each others. what to do? wait and see who's right?"
- chrislb, RaptureReady


"Nope, all you got is the latest fads in reading."
- jpholding, TheologyWeb


"David Blaine is creepy . . . .and probably evil, but too small time to be the a[nti]c[hrist]."
- barb43, RaptureReady


"I agree with that completely. There's nothing wrong with being a homosexual, but just like Downs Syndrome, homosexuality should be cured."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"I feel that if creation is true then all of the evidence available to date should be consistent with that event.

But if evolution is true then all of the evidence should be consistent with that hypothesis.

Since all of the evidence is not consistent with the evolutionary hypothesis I decided to investigate the creation hypothesis, and so far I have not found any evidence that is not consistent with it. "
- Socratism, TheologyWeb


"Number one, I'm not probing because I listen to Kent Hovind. I'm probing b/c you can't provde a scientific experiment that proves the Big Bang as true. It would then become a fact and not a theory that evidence may point towards."
- chrislb, RaptureReady


"Yes, you or someone must be there to witness the event in order to record it. The Astronauts were there to record the moon landing. Are you not familiar with the 'scientific method'?"
- Becky, RaptureReady


"The theory is total speculation with no basis in scientifc possibilties.

Whereas, we have written accounts of the life of Jesus Christ, and His ressurection, done by either eyewitnesses themselves or written from interviews with eyewitnesses (I'm more inclined to the former), which you claim to not be extraordinary enough evidence....

In a court of law, which theory would be more acceptable as per the full and total evidence, if looked at with no bias?"
- kerri, RaptureReady


"As I said, he is too trigger happy and doesnt research his material very well. One thing I commend him for is he is dogmatic."
- Follower of Christ, ChristianForums


[To a pagan] "How do you know that they [the gods] are who they say they are? They could be 'someone' else just lying to you for a bit of fun.

If I studied someone enough I could easily get people to believe I am them, especially if they person is naive' and open to being led.

If you dont believe in something you will fall for anything."
- aus_koala, ChristianForums


"Some Mormon prophecies, particularly by Joseph Smith, have not come true."
- galpster1, RaptureReady


"Modern archeology is not compatible with the Book of Mormon's story of the Lamanites and the Nephites. "
- galpster1, RaptureReady


"Maybe you can find the city of Troy, but you do not know all the truth. For example, did Helen of Troy run off with her boyfriend as he claimed, or was she kidnapped as her husband claimed.

There is no question about the truth of the Bible stories. But the Greek stories often have a lot different versions to them."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"I have read it, and you think King James didn't write the Bible, do you think that was just a convient name? LOL"
- Inspired, ChristianForums


"Do you honestly feel that paleobiologists and their ilk, whose degrees will only earn them a living while the T[heory]o[f]E[volution] is still considered a valid scientific pursuit, and will end up flipping burgers if it is ever proven wrong, would ever publish evidence that damages their livelihood?"
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"Just because you call it pure nonsense doesn't make it so. Just because it's a theory about a conspiracy, doesn't make it wrong. People make choices, and then avoid the consequences, lie to cover it up, and catch other people up in their webs. It happens all the time. Why is it so uneasonable, given the circumstances, to believe the worst about the T[heory]o[f]E[volution]?"
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"How about the Ice Age? Geologists found all of these fossils and rock formations, and heard about the T[heory]o[f]E[volution], and decided that since it was true, there must have been an Ice Age."
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"The fact that various people who claim to be Christians work in this branch of science [evolutionary biology] doesn't alter that one iota. Take a good hard look at the people who profess to be Christian, and ask yourself how many of them even come close to the ideals set by Jesus. Is it any surprise that they have abandoned his teachings?"
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


[Replying to 'Your attacks on Evolutionary Theory stem from a gross misunderstanding of many biological processes'] "This is a laughable statement. Let me re-phrase it for you so that it says the exact same thing, but in an accurate way:

Your valid concerns with the ToE have been dealt with by changing the ToE. While your arguments were totally valid a few days ago, we are now talking about something completely different. This is how we've stayed in business for two hundred years (almost). Now go away, or we shall taunt you a second time!"
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"That Cretaceous impact [that wiped out the dinosaurs] was just another step in His plan to terraform the earth. The lush jungles and fatty deposits of the animals of that time became our oil, and tar for sailing ships, and the newer, cooler climate was perfect for sowing deciduous trees, grasses, conifers, and the creatures that would live among them."
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"If evolution were occuring today, we would see the things it predicts. All theories predict what one should see if they are correct. Well, we SHOULD be seeing things changing into different creatures. Somewhere, it ought to be happening. A fly should be turning into a beetle, or an earthworm into a lobster, or a monkey into another type of man. I'd settle for a bacteria turning into a rotifer at this point. We ought to be seeing intermediate animals all over the damn place."
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"Since everywhere we look, we are not seeing five-assed monkeys falling out trees and being eaten by three-assed dogs, one could speculate that perhaps, just PERHAPS, mutations do not stick around."
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"Well, that's the THEORY, anyway. Of course, no one's ever seen it happen, or found an intermediate fossil that proves the graduallist viewpoint. They've found stuff that supports punctuated equilibrium, but PE is just a convoluted way of saying God, so why not just cut to the chase?"
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"Evolution occurs in sudden giant leaps, remember? That means that one day you have hyracotherium, and the next it births the next one in the chain. 'Punctuatedly equilibriumized' refers to the genes in mama and papa that will combine to become a whole new species inside mama. I know, I know, it sounds ridiculous. Imagine the difficulty I had swallowing it. I'm just repeating it back to you."
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"The male's size doesn't matter, he's not giving birth to a whole new larger species, the female is. Only his genes matter."
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"Remember the 'Mars life-bearing rocks'? Those scientists found fossilised TRACES OF BIOCHEMICALS. This point is mine, all mine, and I'm not relinquishing it. No fossils = never existed."
- FearlessLeader, Someplace Somewhere


"Then how does one explain the origin of the complex courtship rituals of peacocks and men? If evolution favors simplicity, why isn’t rape our standard modus operandi? Certainly it is simpler and more efficient than chocolates and dinner-with-the-parents."
- Albert Cipriani, Internet Infidels


"I think you're trying to turn this into something it's not. You can't equate personally rejecting Christ with not believing the accuracy of a historical account. [...] This is apples to oranges stuff. If you don't believe Jesus rose from the dead, then you're rejecting your only hope to escape the punishment we all deserve for our sins."
- Don, RaptureReady


"The basic fundamental beliefs (or presuppositions) of the atheistic philosophy claims that we live in a universe that is eternal (meaning, not created), and that the universe operates by randomness and chance. And that all that exists is matter in motion. So, we conclude the following....

1.There can't be any absolutes (since this contradicts the belief that the universe is random and chance-like (a Darwinion presupposition as well) 2.There can not be anything supernatural or anything non-material. 3.We can't know anything (since knowledge may evolve)

A consistent atheist would have to live his life not doing or saying anything, but just waiting. If there are no absolutes or non-material things then laws of science and math can't exist. Neither can the laws of logic exist (thereby stripping the atheist of his capacity to debate or reason about anything, or have any sort of intellectual discourse). Morals don't exist (so the atheist can't throw in the argument that since God is all-good and all-powerful, then He can't exist since evil exists as well. Yet, evil presupposes a standard of good, and that standard is God)."
- DanTheMan, RaptureReady


"Everything i have read in the bible shows God not to be a very rational supreme being. And his ability to ...... i cant even express the pure magnifacance of the lords abilties. But i do believe god has set forth the laws of the universe and followed himself to whatever end this crazy rollercoaster ride is for."
- Bico, RaptureReady


"It's scriptural for me to pray for victory over our enemies. If you don't like it you can pray for the other guys."
- RoyWM, ChristianForums


"I do agree that a Muslim ruler or majority would be disastrous though. They are only 'tolerant' when they are in the minority."
- brewmama, ChristianForums


"do you assume that gravity exists in the Andromeda galaxy? I mean, we see stars moving and such (and moving really fast at the center), but who's to say that gravity is causing it?"
- xian, Internet Infidels


[Replying to 'we SEE gravity'] "no we don't. we see movements of stars. we assume gravity is causing it. why do you assume that?"
- xian, Internet Infidels


"IMHO unicorns were dinosaurs. Since they were unknown when the KJV bible was translated, the Hebrew word was mistranslated into English."
- Socratism, TheologyWeb


"Scientists are people too, and atheistic agendas will suppress a lot of information from the public mind"
- Truth in Faith, ChristianForums


"Because there is so much evidence for His existence (and also His Resurrection btw) that to question it is comparable to questioning the existence of JFK."
- spl_cadet, TheologyWeb


"Very very bad example of evolution. The bacteria gets 'used' to the antibiotics and eventually becomes immune to it. Same concept as weight lifting. If you keep doing the same exercises over and over with no variation, your muscles will get used to the exercise and never increase.

That and evolution is a process of gradual change over long periods of time, not a couple days in your school bio lab."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"And not that the Beserk One cares, since he doesn't believe in any God anyway. But like a lot of misotheists, he's happy to use the likes of Bubba, QED and JJRamsey [Christians who accept evolution] as 'useful idiots' (Lenin's phrase) to help undermine Christianity by white-anting the very first book of the Bible."
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"Jesus was an excellent teacher, yet you would have us believe that He was misunderstood for 1800 years until Christ-haters like Lyell, Darwin and Huxley uncovered the true history of the Earth and life upon it."
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"All Im saying is the Bible says it thats why I believe it."
- agapepro, PayableOnDeath UK BBS


"These books you've read [on the historical origins of the New Testament],do you believe them to be the truth? Just as the bible was inpired by God, lots of other books have been inspired by satan to make us doubt our faith."
- Storm girl, PayableOnDeath UK BBS


"God never intended for man to venture out into space on his own. That's why the shuttle blew up. There is also a very scientific and historical reason why no astronaut ever died IN SPACE."
- KJVcandlestick, NoAnswersInGenesis Board


*** Post of the Week for March 9-15, 2003 ***

"No & no, I would never contemplate becoming "friends" with one. They physically repel me. In any case, given that I believe all unrepentant homosexuals over 21 ought to be executed, they are hardly likely to want to be friends with me."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"It [the Bible] also serves as a personal moral code and as a moral basis for enacting legislation. Just as the death penalty is retained for murder, so ought it to be retained for homosexuality. It reflects the seriousness of the crime before God, and its deeply corrupting influence. (Of course the deist/atheist society of today does not recognize this - but then that is its problem.)"
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"Remember, the Jews thought they were more observant than God at one time, and refused to commit genocide. As a result, they are still tortured by that bloodline."
- SuperSooner777, Thought Cafe


"I told her the Bible says these things must come to pass and not to fear and she said 'the bible isn't the only word of God' and 'all religions tell you not to fear' and 'there are lots of paths that lead to God' . I told her of all gods people worship, Jesus is the only one who claims he is coming back, she paused for a minute, said she 'believes' in God and that was that. I looked at her with pity, thinking of the flames...."
- CINDY S., RaptureReady


"Anyhow, one needs to know what they speak about...The Koran came about 600 years after Christ's death and resurrection. Mohammed is a false teaching (spoken about by Peter in 2 Peter 2). Mormonism is a farce...just look at Joseph Smith, and the complete and utter lack of archaeological proof concerning any part of his 'Book of Mormon.'

Jehovah's Witnesses are merely a man's lack of faith in Scripture put into a cult. Not only do they have lack of faith in true Scripture, they wrote their own Bible to justify their disbelief (New World Bible). Look at all the false claims of Armageddon, and that the generation of the early 1900's would see the end of the world. What happened there? A prophet like those who made such false claims would have been stoned in Old Testament times.

Buddhism is basically Hinduism gone really bad. Buddha was originally a Hindu...both have numerous 'gods,' or demons, rather. There is no truth there."
- pilgrimian, RaptureReady


"My aunt used to get demon possesed & some other lady when i was a kid had one also. my aunt used to fall on the floor & start saying bad things about her dad who happens to be a pastor. thank God that she hasnt gotten possesed for 20 years now all because the demon was rebuked in the name of JESUS."
- RNG, RaptureReady


"Well we don't understand how sane and reasonable people like yourselves don't believe in the claims of Jesus. Its your opinion and nothing more."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"Judging by the fact that Islam allows unlimited divorce, 4 wives + unlimited maidservants, and the putting to death of anyone who offends Islam, and that the Islamic heaven is full of nubile young women, I can't see there is much difference between wicca and Islam."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


[Referring to evolution] "It will be fascinating how historians of the future will explain how so many educated persons could have been so wrong about the past."
- Socratism, TheologyWeb


"Christianity would have never succeeded had the New Testament been fictional, you don't see 2 billion people running around worshipping Shakespeare, arguably the best fictional writer in history."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"The fact that this whole planet is innundated with churches, priests, pasteurs, bibles, websites, tv shows, movies, books, magazines, newspapers, cathedrals, paintings, sculptures, chapels, etc., etc., etc., gives us plenty of evidence for the possibility of God."
- Billdemart, ChristianForums


"The theory of evolution is held to be 'tenable' only because it offers a possible naturalistic (read anti-theistic) explanation of origins. The theory was not arrived at as the only reasonable explanation for the evidence; indeed much of the 'evidence' did not exist when the Greeks first came up with the idea."
- theophilus, Internet Infidels


"Please cite references where Darwin ever said 'Evolution is a change in allele frequency in a population over time.' " [Mendelian genetics didn't exist in Darwin's day.]
- theophilus, Internet Infidels


"The occultic Harry Potter books and movies and the deeply satanic Lord of the Rings novels and movies are lauded on the Leftbehind.com message board as acceptable entertainment for Christians! The 'Christian' administration and Jerry B. Jenkins do not counterpost and warn against fellowshipping with these devilish, entertaining creations which are obviously Satan's works."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"Notice that Jerry never even hinted that viewing such movies [as Lord of the Rings] is sin and definitely not God's will for his holy, called-out-from-the-world people. And of course he did not explain that all Christians who view such movies give place to the devil (they permit demons to have access to their lives)--both now and during the tribulation, when such access will be spiritually and physically fatal."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"Just as Prospero--the website software that entices posters to sin by providing a place for an astrological sign in their profile--was chosen to power the new Leftbehind.com message board format, the push at Leftbehind.com for Christians to accept movies that Satan produced is no accident. Christians must fall away from the faith of Jesus in order for God to allow the revealing of Antichrist and everything that goes along with the implementation of the satanic regime or New Global Order. Deceiving Christians into thinking that grace is reigning in their lives while they consent to fellowship with Satan via his diabolical entertainment is a key way to achieve this."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"We have seen The Fellowship of the Rings for the purpose of reporting on it, and it is filled with satanic imagery--pentagrams, demons that look exactly like real demons, etc. Gary has seen many demons, and there is no way those 'demons' could have been created for the set without somebody knowing what the real ones look like. If you enjoy fellowshipping with the representations of real demons in The Fellowship of The Rings, then you are willingly fellowshipping with devils. You must repent before you are too hardened in the love of this sin to respond to godly reproof."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"The practice of 'Christians' marking themselves with satanic user names and avatars conditions people to think this is acceptable in the sight of God. It is not acceptable for God's people to mark themselves with satanic symbols (Satan's markings), listen to rock and roll (Satan's music) speak in sarcastic and condescending tones (Satan's talk), and read occultic and murder novels (Satan's books). All of these unholy behaviors are practiced or promoted on the Left Behind Message Board."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"LOTR satanic? Hmm, that's a new one on me. I do agree with you on Harry Potter but LOTR is not satanic."
- His#1Fan, RaptureReady


"How can we (Christian's) in good conscience read, or participate in any way with something that the Bible makes clear is not acceptable by God.

It's just for fun. It's just a fantasy. Well, fine.. then should I give my nephew a book of pornography? Wouldn't that be the same concept. Seeing as no sin is greater than another, and so therefore magic and lust are just as detestable? I don't understand this double standard Christian's seem to have. If it's fun and not hurting anyone, it's okay. Even if it's a sin."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"Quote: --------------------------------------------- When a dangerous and powerful magic ring falls into his hands, a little hobbit named Frodo is caught up in a gigantic adventure! Now, join him, the mighty wizard Gandalf and a daring band of elves, dwarves and warriors set out to defend their enchanted land from the wicked sorcerer who is set to destroy it. Set in a mystical age of magic, monsters and unlikely heroes on incredible journeys, The Lord Of The Rings will cast its spell over your entire family! ----------------------------------------------------

does that sound godly to you?"
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"both movies present wizards, sorcery and evil magic and both titillate the skyrocketing popularity of mystical occult in movies in the shadow of the attack on Christianity, feeding on it and nurturing it at the same time. Both movies use evil as good: "white magic" to fight dark and evil occult forces. Both present fine personal qualities in characters with heroic missions to defeat evil. And both present the use of evil, namely witchcraft and sorcery, as a tool for good. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is targeted at the preteen and the early teen and thus boasts a less complicated story. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring is much more sophisticated and requires deeper thought to fathom its story, thus making the older teen and young adult its target audience. The Christian faith is being hit at all impressionable ages, folks. And there is more coming."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"The bottom line is that God clearly commands that witchcraft, sorcery and wizardry are evil. He gives no situations under which these evils are not evil: no conditions under which these evils may be tolerated. There is no such thing as a "good" witch. Not even Wendy."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"Im not trying to cause arguments,

its just cant you see there is no difference between harry potter and lord of the rings? they both include magic and wizards SOMETHING the bible HIGHLY CONDEMMS!

SHOULD we partake at the same table as satan and god?"
- Derrick, RaptureReady


[When someone comments that Star Trek also contains things that could be called 'sorcery'] "Is sorcery ever justifyed?"
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"Almost all of us have watched those shows [involving magic, like Care Bears, Snow White, the Smurfs] or even raised on them, but that also does not make them right."
- Only1God, RaptureReady


"yeah, real christ like movie. and by the way ....he [Tolkien] was a roman catholic."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"The auther ment well with this movie I believe but he used bad characters. If you want to show people Christ we need to do it like Jesus did.

Jesus never mad up stories to get people to follow him."
- Only1God, RaptureReady


"This mixing of paganism and Christianity from Mainline and Conservative Christian leaders is leading the christian community directly into the global, ecumenical religion of Antichrist and his False Prophet. The very fact we are seeing this unbelievable mixing of paganism with Christianity is a solid sign we are truly at the End of the Age and Antichrist is close."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"just a movie huh?

tell that to the THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN THAT WANT TO LEARN WITCHCRAFT AND ABOUT WIZARDS NOW.!"
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"tell that to jesus, and then remeber the thousands of children/adults who are not saved that are into witchcraft because of these sick movies!"
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"Real Christians who stand up for Jesus on the Internet are considered the aberration, and those who engage in occult-themed entertainment are the norm"
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"what it does is lead people to the REAL WITCHCRAFT.

that is no joke, i been there and done that because of a witchcraft movie before i was saved.

witchcraft is very real."
- Derrick, RaptureReady


"But for positive evidence [of a young earth], we have the best of all—a reliable Eye-witness to the event who has provided a written record, which overrules any circumstantial [scientific] evidence! "
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"Doesn't anyone around here own a calander?

The earth was created Feb 29th 4007 B.C. (It was a leap year).

We are approaching 6010 years old! Happy B 'earth' day!!"
- Sozo, TheologyWeb


"You didn't expect me to be 'sexist' and reply in a different manner to your silly attack because you're female (and likely blonde) did you? And under your evolutionary system, why not be sexist? Darwin and most of his evolutionary contemporaries were very sexist. Conversely, the Biblical Christianity is the only philosophy that has provided true liberation for women, but you come here to attack it. "
- Socrates, TheologyWeb


"David Blaine.. the guy who levitates on street corners and resurrects dead animals.

No, I'm not trying to 'pin the tail on the A.C.'

But the Bible did caution that there would be 'many' anti-Christs in the end days.. and I have seen interviews in which he pointedly compares himself to Jesus.....

Freaky stuff, if you ask me."
- Medic911, RaptureReady


[To a nonbeliever] "If you don't change the way you think and act, you will die."
- Don, RaptureReady


"So, telling unbelievers that they are going to receive eternal death for their rebellion against God is now uncalled for? When did the board rules change? Should I not tell unbelievers that God will send them to hell?"
- Don, RaptureReady


[In a topic about the cancellation of Buffy the Vampire Slayer] "WOO HOO!

Another one of Satan's tools bites the dust!

Not before it did a LOT of damage, though..."
- Angyl, RaptureReady


[Replying to 'average life expectancy has steadily risen'] "Not according to the Bible! Life spans have decreased drastically. Only in the past 100 years or so have they increased a bit."
- joelch2, RaptureReady


[After several strawman abiogenesis calculations were refuted] "Live in denial all you want - it is a mathematical impossibility for the universe to not have had a creator and for Jesus of the Bible not to be God."
- Magus55, RaptureReady


"Thats just the point of prophecy - that prophecy was made long before Jesus was born. Unless he was God, and knew everything - how would he have known to ride into Jerusalem on a donkey in order to fulfill a prophecy?

This isn't like a 500 year old prophet walking up to some guy and saying - i predict you will ride into jerusalem on a donkey, some guy says - ok ill do that - i must be the Messiah!

Only if Jesus was God and the true messiah could he have known that prophecy 500 years after the fact."
- Magus55, RaptureReady


"And what makes you think the Old testament was obtainable during Jesus' days?"
- Magus55, RaptureReady


"Also, using the excuse that Jews evolved into inferior beings, thus it gives the right to kill them, shows the morality of an Atheist, in that there is no certain right or wrong, it is all subject to change."
- Jon The Jew, Thought Cafe


"Um, the Babylons wrote on a tablet describing the flood of Noah. I'm very sure that they could have written down the flood as it was happening up until the writer was killed, and the tablet remains as one of the few relics left over before the flood."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"nothing anyone says will ever get through your thick heads."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"No the Apostles can't have made it up to make Jesus seem to fulfill all the prophecies since he fulfilled many of them BEFORE he even met the apostles - sorry flawed logic on your part."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"So no its not inaccurate - every scriptural passage you claim to be wrong can easily be explained by some one who can understand scripture."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"But again, when you find out Christians are right and your stupid free-thinking individualism - lets express ourself and deny anything else attitudes are shoved in your face by God himself - try not to kick yourself too hard - there will be enough pain in Hell for you. God has the final say not you - deny Him all you want - you will be judged."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"Did you ever hear of Einstein? Have you ever heard of the Hubble space telescope? The earth can be ancient AND 10,000 years old at the same time. The Hubble telescope has photos of a very young universe. They just took those photos."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"Not to mention, is there any actual evidence of the Big bang? Having an expanding universe doesn't count."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"There is no solid evidence for the Big Bang, thats why its a theory - you guys take how the universe was created on just as much faith as we take on God."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"If you don't smarten up, you will become so [HIV positive] sooner or later! Do you really want to destroy yourself with this perversion of sodomy?"
- Robert, BaptistWatch


"Where all the Columbia Space Shuttle astronauts fully qualified for their jobs, having been placed there because they were the best at what they did? Or were they there because of political correctness diversity idiocy? And if so, was this partly or entirely responsible for the space ship disaster???"
- Robert, Robert Baral's Forum


*** Post of the Month for March 2003 ***

"ALL homosexuals are nazis or pre-nazis...

...as they want to send everybody that opposes them publicly to re-education camps.

Many top nazis under Hitler were homosexuals...

ALL homosexuals have the demonaic spirit of murder in their souls willingly, as they want to exterminate all who expose them for abominable sinners, which is the baseline requirement to become a full nazi.

Whenever you see a homosexual, you are thus looking at a nazi or a pre-nazi."
- Robert, BaptistWatch


"Could the dinosaurs not be the resultant offspring of fallen angels and people and/or animals? I'm thinking of the Nephilim.. just a thougt"
- Maestro, RaptureReady


"The rebellion against God started through Eve's inability to think logically - desire took precedence over reason, but she was not willing to recognize it. Adam simply followed his wife. knowing that it was wrong. A bit like men giving feminism free reign. They know its wrong, but permit it nevertheless."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"The divorce courts are full of women trying to get divorces simply because they have commited adultery (or converted to lesbianism) and want to be rid of their husbands. Desire takes precedence over reason.

Men know they should not grant divorces to women under such circumstances. But they do. Its called 'SIN'."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"Women make 2x as much money on divorce as on getting married. Its the same precedence of desire over reason that causes women to get divorced. But why is it unreasonable? For the same reason as it was unreasonable for Eve to eat the fruit."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"A cursory glance at any statistics, will show how women abuse their desires. At least 70% of all divorces are originated by women. The reason is not hard to see"
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"Deut 22:28-29 is also a 'women's rights' law.

A man rapes a virgin. In that culture no one would be willing to marry her after that, and so she would live in shame with her parents for the rest of her life. After her parents died she might well have had noone to provide for her. And there were few career options for women back then. Prostitute or begger pretty much covered it.

So this horrible thing happens, a man rapes a virgin. What is then to be done about it? What would be the most corrective thing to do about the damage done in that cultural context? What is the most just and moral way to address such a horrible situation once it occurs?

Solution ... the man gets stuck with caring for her for the rest of his life. She becomes his wife (which he surely was not looking for) rather than merely being his victim. Instead of the parents having to provide for her in shame the rest of her life, she becomes the WIFE of this man. He's not going to rape very many virgins with this law being enforced. He would go broke very quickly doing so."
- Christian, Internet Infidels


"The reason for these laws [in Deuteronomy, such as stoning for adultery and being forced to marry your rapist] was as a deterent to whoredom. It stopped women for playing the harlot. Something that the modern occidental democracy has no answer to - a majority of women turn harlots even before they reach the age of consent in the UK.

These days 'women rights' equate to 'the right to play the whore'. And the indulgence in, proclivity to, whoredom, is the principle reason why women cannot and will not believe in God.

The feminist today is antichrist in female guise, just as the deist/atheist is the antichrist in male guise."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"The most ludicrous proposition that modern legal systems have put forward of late (apart from the suggestion that a wife can be 'raped' by her husband - which is so antithetial to biblical morality that it is suprising the proponents of that law were not struck down by thunderbolts), is the concept that a prostitute can be raped, even after she has entered into a contract for services."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"I am not going to further discuss prostitutes. The bible commands they be stoned to death."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"Certainly adultery should be made a criminal offence, possibly punishable by death, at the instigation of the husband."
- Old Man, Internet Infidels


"Then you are deluded. Dragons are spoken of by God if you like it or not. God also said they breathed fire. All you are doing is calling God a liar."
- Rom831, RaptureReady


"Servetus denied the Trinity and deserved what he got [burning at the stake]. "
- CamelPower, RaptureReady


"I can't believe you Catholics agree that burning us to death is a good idea! You judge our salvation, then think it's a good idea to give us a torturous death 'for the good of our souls'. You people are sick in the head!"
- Don, RaptureReady


"What a fantastically Satanic doctrine! To think that burning people alive can ever be a good thing? These people [Catholics] are seriously sick and twisted! As if a burning person's 'recant' amounted to anything more than begging to have the fires quenched.

What a sick, sick church."
- Don, RaptureReady


"This theology you've constructed might give comfort to you, but it is not Biblical. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That includes little disabled children."
- Ailurus, RaptureReady


"Knowledge is evil. Knowledge led to the atomic bomb, remember?"
- Susan, ChristianForums


"The Greco-Roman gods never had the influence that Christianity does. Hence why almost nobody believes in them these days."
- Magus55, Internet Infidels


"yes, homosexuality is still a sin. to say that it is no longer a sin is to say that God's opinion of sin has changed, which is directly disputing the nature of God."
- Vincent_T_05, RaptureReady


"I will stick by my first post. It's a choice. I've made several choices in my life. When it came to being gay or straight. I chose to be straight."
- almondeyes73, RaptureReady


"Oh and one more thing the burden of proof or rather disproof is on you not on us. We have faith that God exsists and that the bible is the word of God - you don't; so you have to disprove it to us."
- galpster1, RaptureReady


"It has been estimated that the [Golden] plates weighed 234 pounds or thereabouts. Yet the eight witnesses supposedly hefted them. How many ordinary people can lift that much weight? Very few.

Reliable eyewitnesses say that Joseph Smith carried the plates around under one arm. Yeah Right!!! "
- onsolidrock, RaptureReady


"If there are many 'gods' about, according to Mormon teachings, why do we never see or hear from them?"
- kenneth, RaptureReady


"He is not against science. He is against Evolution. He claims to be a doctor of science. Evolution is the evil enemy, not science."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"What do you expect when you deny what every christian knows to be true. You expect us to believe you when you try and tell us what you believe to be true? You need to get real and join the real world."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"One thing that I don't understand about athesits is that they like to claim that there is no evidence that God exists. But it's obvious to me that everything is evidence that God exists."
- Buck Swope, Internet Infidels


"Contrary to your final statement, it is naturalistic atheism which makes knowledge impossible; knowledge of ourselves and of our environment. Only when we presume the God of scripture can we 'know' anything for sure."
- theophilus, Internet Infidels


"You know, there was a time in human history when we didn't believe in any gods. Then civilization advanced, polytheism was brought about, then theology, and hense monotheism. Now it seems like people want humanity to regress back to the Iron Age."
- Sambo83, BlizzForums


"Only Almighty God can predict the future. The spirits that are part of ouija boards or any other form of demonically induced future telling is only what the demons know about your history. They only know how your ancestors and you react in certain situations and speak accordingly."
- Quaffer, ChristianForums


[On medicine] "But if your depending on man, your going to sooner or later be in trouble. God has the answer for what ails us, not man."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"God can heal the diabetic. I do not know of anyone that attends my church regular that is a diabetic."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


[Replying to 'why ask a pastor for cancer advice?'] "Because the man of God has the power of God to heal the sick. He can give you advice on what you need to do for the healing or the miracle power of God to work in you."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


[Replying to 'I'll stick to medicine, thanks'] "Of course that means your on the road to blasphemy, but than I suppose you already knew that."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"If some of the people on this board only know how disgusting they were, they would not wonder that God desires to vomit them out.

They wonder where God is, but maybe because they are defiled and corrupted, He can not stand to be around them."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"The Constitution does not say freedom from Religion, nor is there an expressed right of disbelief or athiesm. The Constitutional right is freedom of Religion includng the public expression thereof. Atheists however do not have a protected right since they claim no God or religion. Therefore the Constitution does protect Religion, but not the rights of atheists under the Bill of Rights for freedom of Religion."
- RoyWM, ChristianForums


"But no you are worng about my not caring for atheist's rights under the Bill of Rights, excluding religious freedom of course."
- RoyWM, ChristianForums


"The Bill of Rights guarantees your right to religious freedom, but I do not see an implied right to be atheist within that Right, nor do I believe it was so intended by the framers of the Constitution."
- RoyWM, ChristianForums


"Believers of the Word have no problem with atheism nor in shooting down their outrageous theories. We just use the truth and the lies all fall away. The problem is with the atheists who are so blinded by their own prideful close-minded positions that they don't even see that they are getting soundly trounced."
- RoyWM, ChristianForums


"What more do you need in the way of evidence that this? If Lightfoot said it [that the universe is 6000 years old], then it must be so. He was a very smart guy. Are you thinken that your any more smarter then him?"
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


[Mocking evolution] "Hang on, I gotta feed my Transitional half Lizard half bird pet of mine. I'll be back."
- Badfish, ChristianForums


"I am interested in the truth, the moondust theory cannot be disproven 100%, how can it be? We haven't observed it."
- Badfish, ChristianForums


"The Sky Woman [creation myth] is kinda far fetched. And Zuni. And all of them basically."
- Badfish, ChristianForums


"No, because your stories are not mainstream and do not have a detailed following of people or any proof of people ever following them.

Let's see some written testimony. And some native Americans were stoned on Payute buttons."
- Badfish, ChristianForums


"Actually there are alleged writings of Adam, written by Adam."
- Badfish, ChristianForums


"Yeah the diaries of Adam and Eve, as translated by Mark Twain."
- Badfish, ChristianForums


"To 'destroy' evolution is just to easy. It is like shooting fish in a barrel."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"It maybe easier for you to find Big Foot and prove he exists then to produce a biologist that can convince me that he knows what he is talking about."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"When God creates tornadoes to kills innocent children He is merely taking back what He gave and has every right to take. It is no violation of justice and hence not a sin."
- Albert Cipriani, Internet Infidels


"Where the Greek reads one way and the KJV reads the other, rest assured that God will judge you at the Judgment on what you know.

Since you don't know the Greek (and those who know it, alter it to suit themselves), you had better go by the KJV text."
- Jephunneh, ChristianForums


"To question God's word is satanic (Gen. 3:1), so don't ever question it. Just believe it by faith. If you can't understand it, then at least believe it."
- Jephunneh, ChristianForums


"Here is one reason why the Authorized Version of the Holy Bible is superior to any Greek text, or any Greek manuscripts:

And that is because it is in the universal language of the end time.Greek, as a language, is deader than last year's bird nest. It constitutes less than one percent of the world's spoken languages, and there is no demand for it anywhere on earth, except in Greece, and in the back rooms of dead, orthodox, conservative, Bible critics."
- Jephunneh, ChristianForums


*** Post of the Week for March 2-8, 2003 ***

[To a Mormon] "When you said 'I'm sorry you have been blinded by the cunning craftiness of men and cannot see the truth' I was shocked! I could not believe you said that.

What cunning craftiness of men do you mean?

The cunning craftiness of men that writes a book [the Book of Mormon] that is not supported by any scientific, legal or historic proof or means available and tells everyone to just believe it is true?

The cunning craftiness of men that teaches that salvation can only be obtained from the [church of] L[atter]D[ay]S[aints] and J[oseph]S[mith], and completely discounts the many references in the bible that says Jesus is the only way to salvation?"
- JimB, RaptureReady


"There is ample evidence against the B[ook]ofM[ormon] and none to support it, but yet it is considered, by the L[atter]D[ay]S[aints], the most correct book of all time, despite it many changes. That in itself defies all logic. You cannot logically argue an illogical thought."
- JimB, RaptureReady


"Hugh Nibley [a Latter Day Saint apologist] was a typical brain washed mormon who wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit him in the rear."
- onsolidrock, RaptureReady


[On Mormon apologetics] "No one likes to admit they are wrong, so we make excuses and either ignore the truth, make up ridiculous explanations to explain the lie, or when there is no explanation say it is groundless and fallacious."
- JimB, RaptureReady


"To assume that the Holy Spirit did not prophetically guide the KJV translators to use the word 'science' instead of knowledge is to limit God. God knew in advance that evolution would at its heart be an 'OPPOSTION of science falsely so called', so to try and limit gnosis to simply knowledge is to fail to understand how God used common Greek words and gave them a theological meaning (check the word Gospel as an example)."
- Ezra, ChristianForums


"You state what you stated simply cos you've been indoctrinated by secular systems to believe that the evidence supports evolution."
- Andrew, ChristianForums


"Actually, he was not being 'unfair' or unjust with them. God is the Creator of the Universe, and as such he is also the owner of everything and everyone in it. Because of this, he is allowed (it is just) for him to do with people as he pleases, and that includes being allowed to kill infants. "
- Matthew, ChristianForums


"The Amalek people later in the passage we are told opposed the people of Israel. Does this mean that God orderd that they be killed to show all other people not to mess with the Isrealites? Were the childeren sacrificed to send a message to all others? These are my thoughts anyway"
- andybell, ChristianForums


"Those so called 'innocent' kids would have been a thorn in the side to future good people..so why not nip them in the bud..."
- EPHRIAM777, ChristianForums




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