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Fundies Say the Darndest Things! March
2004 Edition
"Laugh it up........ You guys are so lost.......its not even funny." "Oo another point, how come we can't see these chemicals? Our rocks that have created us have made our eyes to only see the 3D. Clever rocks. They can teach you how to taste, smell, hear, feel, see, clever chemicals..." "No no no... We should see new transitions happening now if the Earth is billions of years old. Every other day we should see new intelligient beings if the earth is billions. We see no new created." "Sperm is obviously intelligent... It has to swim...It has the blueprint for life within it...it is part of us...so how can you say it's unitelligent? It is like saying your left finger is unintelligent." "It's not dark age thinking. Dark age thinking is denying the facts, and atheism clearly tries to explain away God..." "Square pegs do not fit in round holes, yet you can force a square peg into a round hole. What you end up with is damaged parts. Ergo, AIDS..." "They are to blame. Had AIDS been treated as a contagious disease like other contagious diseases, it would never have reached such epidemic proportions. But they whined about their civil rights, ignoring the civil rights and safety of the rest of society so that they could relish their perverse behavior and force the rest of us to pay for it trhough our taxes and our health and our incresed health care costs." "I think its a disgrace to the human being, and especially to God, however i understand most, or all these people don't believe in the same, but i feel really hard on this one, i think its just the most worst thing you can do, allowing gays to be one with the rest of us is just might as well have them one person kill another person, its just that bad, both are wrong and should be dealt with properly. but its just a bad way to go, to get away from our tradional family and moral value system we once held up here, and why things were so good before. and people knew what lift meant and etc. just the good ol days type saying." "They could demand all they want..but Gods will..will be done inspite of mankind... I sure hope Jesus holds off the rapture till after that war..I for one want to see them break ground for The Temple and I want to see God himself take care of The Islamic problem.." "Equal protection under the law should not extend to sexual orientation... I can understand equal protection under the law based on race, color, creed, age, and gender, but to think there should be equal rights based on sexual orientation is patently absurd and I believe a misinterpretation of the Constitution." "Notto, I know that it wasn't a transcript of a show trying to disprove the Bible, but what I didn't like about it was that they were trying to figure out the real *truth* and talk of powerful pieces of fiction, and that Judas *could* have been real! Thats all! In Christianity, the Bible is considered the Word Of God, as we all know. In my opinion there in no need for scholars to try and figure out what could have actually happened ot not, or who was real or not." *** Alternate Bizarro Universe Award *** "It's just sad that yet another show is going out which undermines Jesus's teachings, because too many people in the world have been taught the wrong things already. After all, there are NEVER TV shows on healing, miracles, and testimonies.. probably because it would be deemed offensive!" "The brain is supernatural. It is not confined to fixed natural laws." "The only possible conclusion is that the force [of consciousness] is projected into man’s mind by a volitional act in a supernatural realm. And the only possible source for volition is a mind! Choice comes as a result of the conscious choice of a supernatural mind." "Ah ha.. can you explain how choice works??? NO one Can! Its supernatural. The freedom of choice repels natural laws!" "Lol Heisenberg is your proof? Give me some of his theories.. I insist that you cannot govern or explain choice with LAW! Its a phenomenon..." "Why can't you explain it [quantum mechanics] here on the board. I'd love to discuss it." "Strongly dissagree. I believe the supernatural Creator instilled human beings to have dominion over all animals. (Being superior) Like the Bible states. The Bible also claims that since Eve took the bait (fruit of the tree of life) that man will also rule over her till the end of time on this planet. Exactly what we still see today. Women are seen as inferior to men, this is a basic social psychology fact." "When presented with a problem (stimulus) we(as in humans) do NOT have predictable responses(animals do). We have variable responses to fixed inputs. This is clearly contrary to natural law. There are only two possible explanations for choice: either it is an illusion, or natural law is somehow suspended in the human brain." *** Award for Outstanding Achievement in Never Owning Cats *** "NO. Cats choices are always predictable. Human's are complex and their minds are unpredictable. DONE." "Wow! I am very surprised and pleased by this!!!!... These are very well known film critics, who are not Christian and tend to be rather liberal. [Insert WorldNetDaily review of the Passion]" "Foster meaningful discussions my arse. Maybe solely between atheists, but not between atheist and theist. And of course this board will still be here without theists. Atheists just love to argue with each other about who can not believe in the existence of God the most." "Has someone seen if it's possible to find Jesus corpse?... I believe in Miracles and I am sure Jesus corpse cannot be found; it can be a scientific proof" "When will Conservatives decide to stand up and ask if Atheist's should be allowed to serve as judges over a nation created by Christian's?" "'IF' they didn't have some guy, from 'greenpeace', making a comment. Then I might give it [a report on global warming] some merit. But only 'some', because they are trying hard to get us to sign the kyoto treaty, which will also give away our soverinty. That is the intent of their hearts, as I understand it! This way, the A.C. [antichrist] can control the world, when he comes on the sceen." "They do not care if we believe their garbage about a changing climate. What they want is the United States to submit their soverinty to a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT... MY GOD IS NOT A LOSER. He will delay the coming of Christ for his bride (the Church)... we should not be looking at all this garbage that would discourage and get our eyes on Jesus." "Pitbulls and other vicious breeds of dogs are so popular they are bred in abundance. Such dogs are known to have turned on people, specially children. When the tribulation starts and people cannot take care of their pets, these dogs might form packs and as a pack attack humans and other animals.
There may yet be a supernatural development that returns animals to their original wild behaviors." "UNESCO, which is an organization of the United Nations has the purpose of doing what they call the 're-wilding' of the earth... Their plan includes the herding of people into large cities by relocating them. If you live in the country sooner or later you will be forced to move into a city so that nature will not be destroyed by irresponsible men!.. Revelation [6:8] clearly says that wild beasts are going be one of the methods used by 'Death' to kill one fourth of the worlds population. Right now there are not enough of these beasts to do that much harm but there are efforts being conducted all over the world to 'protect' endangered animals!" "The wilding that has been going on for some time is really frightening. I believe that the monstrous fires in the western states are a ruse to push people out of those rural areas by creating fear. Many of these infernos have been deliberately set." "I don't see any reason God couldn't decide to bring forth some dragons/dinosaurs to really demonstrate His power.
" "My point in this thread folks is to make you all aware of what is going on. There is a UN plan to re-wild the world and it is moving forward. They are planning on herding people into cities and basically keeping us there. Thet is spooky when you think about the fact that this will make it easier to kee tabs on us. I am just trying to create awareness. The thing about the Beasts is just something to think about." "Also of interest is the fact that in America FEMA [the Federal Emergency Management Agency] is busy readying concentration camps. There are already over 600 camps ready to be used and more in the working. I guess if you live in the country and don't want to move they will relocate you to a nice resort in the woods somewhere." "I live in Italy and there is a big scandal going on over here. That scandal has to do with about thirty airports throughout the country... the only thing that is strange about these is that no planes take off or land form any of them! Not one!.. I don't know what they are going to be used for but there must be some plan for their use. Italy already has loads of airports and most people I talk with admit they see no need for more! Maybe they will be sending folks over the water to put them in nice 'camps' in America!" "I feel this could be a return to the past and rehash it into the present/future with Throwing Christians into the Lions dens... Won't take them long to start a reality show with that one during the tribulation after all what are they going to show when they don't have a full sports team when so many vanish in the Rapture." "It will be just like ancient Rome. Throw a few Christians into the coliseum, and let the world watch via TV." "Because sin is a crime, and must be punished. Why is shoplifting illegal? Its a free country isn't it?" "As if lack of belief is the only sin you've ever committed. And shoplifting doesn't really infringe on the rights of others, but it may infringe on the rights of the clothes being stolen..." *** "By Jove, I think he's got it!" Award *** "Anyway the argument that greymouser made that we can not trust the gospel writers to write objectively seems to fail the logic test.... Using that kind of reason one could rightly conclude that Republicans who write historical works about George Bush could not be trusted to tell the truth." "So adaption means evolution. If we as humans lived in the water long enough we would grow gills to adapt. Or those living in high rise buildings would grow wings." "Hey Arikay, by the way what you confuse as a[n atavistic human] tail is really what many call a brain and what you call the brain is really the rear..learn to distinguish and use them appropriately." "If we were to teach a child not to steal cars - would we first teach them all the safe ways to steal cars without getting caught? How to open a car door without the alarm going off, how to avade the police, how to start the engine without the key etc... Of course we don't. We just say 'don't do it' and we expect the child not too. So why is it different for sex [ed]? " "The analogy works fine. The bible has never yet found to be wrong in the way it says society should be run. God's way for living has always been found to be the right way - because He created us." "Okay, so what legislation do we need to bring Christianity back into the schools? I know, I'm being hopelessly idealistic but we must try." "Then tell them what lust can do to a person. Have someone who has experienced the destructive power of lust talk to them about how it can twist a person and nearly destroy them spiritually." *** Post of the Week, March 7-13 *** "But I think the concept of 'safe sex' only encourages premarital sex... Why not have sex, if it is safe? This is why, in my opinion, kids should not be taught to have safe sex, but instead they should be taught to not want sex until they are married." "LOL. Seriously, though, most dinosaurs were probably extinct by the time Jesus was here. And don't say 'They died 65 million years before' in response to that statement." "The World is Sick and Getting Sicker... People worldwide clamor for freedom in the privacy of their homes carried beyond what God ordains. In our own nation, it is alarming to see how many claim to be Christians, but yet do not want laws against acceptable, common decency. They also prefer that the government not intrude into their personal lives. This is what happens tohearts that turn to personal pleasure and selfishness: [insert article about bestiality in Sweden]" "They will call it a slippery slope argument and avoid the issue! Saying it's not an issue and then start to call you names or changing the subject, anything to avoid it. However, some knew where this was heading all along!!!!" "I hope this epidemic [of bestiality] does not cross the atlantic. It could be the end of the democrac party. It would be split between the PETA and free love factions." *** "Downward from HERE?!" Award *** "With the liberals painting a sad picture of him, I fear he won't get elected again and that the end/tribulation will happen after we get a liberal and conforming (tolerant) president. I know that our country will fall into a major downward spiral after Bush is replaced someone like that." "We Christians tend to jump up and down for joy whenever he takes a 'moral stand' and stands up for Biblical principles. But you have to remember, the Muslims are more conservative than even many Christians are. And this represents a fairly sizable constituency. And with Bush saying Islam is peaceful, we worship the same God, etc. etc. etc., he most likely is courting the Muslim vote, not the Christian vote." "I'm not certain why Christians believe that President Bush is so conservative when his record indicates that he's a liberal on fiscal and moral issues." "President Bush shouldn't attack homosexuals but he shouldn't be supporting them either by appointing homosexuals to positions in his administration." "George Costanza - Antichrist?.. Just when I think I've seen it all, something else comes along to spin my head in a new direction. The latest is the idea that Jason Alexander, the actor who played Seinfeld's George Costanza, is about to put his voice behind a new Middle East peace initiative..." "... [in Mel Gibson's the Passion] King Herod was very pagan and Roman, which is right to connect with satan, and particularly right in light of the horrible roman myth system also in contrast of the time... the drinking and revelry of Herod reminded me of dionysus/bacchus, the god of a lot of power, intoxication, and irrational thought." "herod looked pretty homo if you ask me" "Now here we are in 2004 and many of us are sensing in our spirits that the end of the church age is at hand. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind the Holy Spirit is telling us this." "Any lie Arafat could dream up placing the blame on Israel for anything which happens on the Temple Mount would be taken at face vaule in the Islamic world, where too often lies are believed as truth and the truth lies." "I don't know what the hell is wrong with some with you. Being an Atheist is NOT something to be proud of!" * Ironically, this username is borrowed from a demon in the anime series Inuyasha. "If evolution is true, then man is a law unto himself, accountable to no one... People like Richard Dawkins, the high priest of evolution, know this, and plainly say that the reson they adhere to evolution is because, 'we can not allow a divine foot in the door'. Evolution is not believed because the wight of evidence compells belief, it is believed because the alternative is completely unacceptable to the corrupt nature of fallen man." "I agree. You are not a fundamentalist nutcase. You are a secular humanist member of an almost completely apostate church [the Anglican church] which holds that the Bible is not what it claims to be." "You people think I am some ignorant religious hick, but it is statements like this one [that people accept evolution because it's good science] that that amply demonstrate who the mentally blind one is.
Science itself attacks evolution, my friend. By the way, the accountability argument is purely metaphysical. No wonder you can't follow it." "Up above Capt Jack (BS, MS, PhD) tried to tell me that my calculations of protein synthesis [for abiogenesis] were wrong because they need not be sequential. I am astounded that a man with a PhD in theoretical physics clearly has no grasp of probability mathmatics." *** "Who's Afraid of the Big Black Belt?" Award *** "Why are the satanic occultic Martial Arts promoted on this Christian site?.. Who has the doctrinal oversight of the contents of the posts on this forum? Why is it allowed that something as demonic as the Martial Arts are discussed and encouraged by so called Christians on this forum?" "You are welcome. Not easy exposing the deeds of darkness, satan is a devil of many disguises working hard at keeping ones eyes off the Fear of God alone. Satan wants ones to fear everything else except God alone. If we truly fear God alone, we fear *NOTHING* else, including death or the devil, and we Love God fully, with all beings. Martial Arts are a demonic diversion making ones shift their focus off the God who is Holy!" [Replying to 'does Satan visit each dojo individually?'] "Does the god of this world blind of the minds of the non believer individually?.. I think you are ignorant. I think you are a rude ignorant evil wicked sinful creature. Are you born again? If not, REPENT! It is not a game. It is matter of life and deth. You die in an unrepentant state and you shall be cast into the Lake of Fire where the smoke of *YOUR* torment will go up day and night forever." "Not surprising at all, coming from an atheist, moral right and wrong or even equal rights, what are they in the eyes of an atheist. Survival and dominance would be the creed and anything that gets in the way should be destroyed at the earliest opportune moment, like a mold that inhibits proper growth, and sucks the strength from its victim. Rid the earth of the cancerous thought of the existence of God, this thought if left to continue & grow will only lead to the suppression of among other things, euthanasia, stem-cell research, abortion, pornography, and the “survival of the fittest” mentality, after all don’t the atheist’s think that we are just another species of animal, and why should we have any one try to set any kind of standards of conduct for humanity whatsoever?" "Um, the Rosa Parks thing is inane psycho-babble. I don't even think he knows what he's talking about. The difference between Rosa Parks and gays is the fact that Rosa wasn't committing a sin because she was black. She couldn't help that she was a different race. This is getting way out of hand." "Why are these Mayors [marrying gays] not getting arrested? They are breaking the law... This is the same thing as giving a gun license to a 3 yr old? HELLO???" "[Many critics thought the Passion would flop] Because they are so far out of reach of reality, they can't possibly understand what it means." "First, according to this translation to English (New American Bible), no-one is buying children as slaves. They are buying slaves FROM the children of foreigners, who were reared in the Israelites' land. Anyway, yes, slavery was a practice in very ancient days. If the slave is treated with justice, and taking into account the fact that otherwise they would have been killed in war, it is not unethical at all." "As for the suposedly sexist passages, there doesn't seem to be much wrong in them... Should women be unwilling to submit to any kind of authority but their own desires?" "People these days view the word Slavery as being exceptionally bad or evil. This is probably steming from the cruelty the Black slaves received in early America... It was a decent relationship back in those [Biblical] times. Let me explain: The slave owner had to take good care of his slaves. It was a give and take relationship at best. The servant had to work for the master of the house but in return the master had to make sure his slaves where properly taken care of. Such as a roof over their head, food, etc." "Why is Catholic listed as a denomination? Catholicism is not a denomination, it is a religion seperate from Christianity, like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons." "The universe isn't expanding. It did in the first hours and days of creation, as God said clearly twelve times in the Bible that He stretched out the heavens. But that is past tense." "I don't put my faith in science, so I don't believe the universe is what scientists say it is. The universe probably ends a few miles or so from the surface of the earth." "Open their eyes, Lord: remove their blinkers!.. It is totally astounding how many details have come true, or have the clear possibility of fulfilment at any time... Do you realise that when Revelation was written, @ AD 90, the whole world population was less than 200 million? In 1961, Chairman Mao boasted that China alone could field 200 million militiamen 'at the drop of a hat' - the very figure Revelation forecast for oriental invaders!.. No doubt doubters class Zechariah 14 Armageddon prophecy, 2,500 years ago, as 'lunatic raving' too... It forecasts Antichrist invaders of Israel will have their flesh, eyes & tongues rotted while they stand... Napalm does that... Rev 17's 'great whore..Mystery Babylon' was forecast to HQ in the city of 7 hills: the Treaty of Rome founded the now-EU to fanfared visions of Revived Roman Empire, from founding father Monet, echoed by many EU leaders since & the new constitution betrays the antichrist agenda... We have more than enough biochem WMD to poison all waters, scorch all vegetation, destroy the ozone layer so the sun's rays scorch men, as in Revelation 16 & 19... Wake up out there!" *** "Those who don't Learn from History" Prize *** "Either case there is no excuse for it. 'Marriage' should be defined as between a man & woman. 'Civil Union' should be used for others. The rights would be
equal, the distinction seperate." "The Russia that [attacks Israel and that] God destroys is the one near the end of the millenium. These aren't the Russian Christians that obey God, but most probably the majority of atheists today and in the past...God is saving them all for the event to make an example of them." "Nooooo, the 'box' is the human mind and body. OUTSIDE the box is the spiritual realm of God and how much He loves us through Jesus. Christians think outside the box more." "Honestly , it would be very hard not to lie [to save a life], but I dont know if I would. For instance , in Corrie ten Boom's book The Hiding Place , her sister was placed in a position where she was asked if she was hiding a Jew , which she was, and she told the truth.It took extreme courage to obey God in this situation , but she did." "But it' interesting to hear from an Athiest that lying is ok sometimes (sarcasm), this supports the steretype that they are immoral." *** Crappy Resurrection Apologetic of the Month *** "Where are the 1st Century atheists?.. where are their writings? where is the account of the first century atheist who saw Christ die and NOT be resurrected? where are the writings of the atheists who say the apostles never existed? the miracles never happened? where is the writing that said there was NO big earthquake?.. were all the denials lost in the sands of time?the gospels survived..why not all the denials?????" "If you look into the history of the [Deteronomy] command [to stone rape victims] you will discover that the women is expected to scream. The presumption is that if she does not it is consensual." "I've just begun reading the posts on this [someone's deconversion and subsequent banning] tonight and it seems so sad to me. I've been angry at God at a few very rough spots in my life, but never enough to stop believing. What on earth happened to cause this???" "if you all would think about it it's for the best how many of us have gone hoarse talking to her trying to get her to see the truth? i mean come on when it becomes obvious that someone is here to bring people down [asking questions] its' time for them to go. wouldn't you agree? the baby christians that are here and post on this board do not need to here people like that..." "Didn't they used to treat homosexuality as if it were a mental illness? And there was a time when divorce was treated with disgrace. I don't know if it was divorce or the free sex movement of the 60's that opened the door (or should I say opened the garbage shute)... Homosexuality is a perverted and willful sin against God and it's a sin of choice just like pre-marital sex, smoking, drinking or drug-use they are all choices people consciously make. On top of that homosexuality and pre-marital sex are killing
people with diseases like AIDS and other STD's -how can we even dream of being silent about this kind of behavior" "Your message goes into elaborate detail about your symptoms [depression] but only gives a very brief reference to the source of your illness - homosexuality.Your symptoms are very typical,in fact the suicide rate among homosexuals is horrendous.That's one of the best pieces of evidence that God is right in condemning homosexuality.It is literally a lifestyle of death.Most homosexuals try to overcome their deep-rooted feelings of depression and feelings of being separated from others,by repeatedly going out and engaging in animalistic sex.Your message indicates that you are attempting to deal with your illness in a morally responsible manner. If that is the case,you're now ready to take the next step - treatment.Large cities do have psychologists,social workers and psychotherapists who treat and cure homosexuality.You can conduct a search by making phone calls from your yellow pages directory.But one important word of warning - most counselors are very good at talking about problems but totally incompetent when it comes to solving problems.So what you need to ask the therapists you contact is if they cure homosexuaity.There are also some internet organizations that provide online help.Exodus International and Setting Captives Free are the two biggest ones.The latter is very spiritual.If anyone can help you find Jesus again,it will be them.You can not expect much help from God however until you make a sincere and concentrated effort to get rid of this death-producing moral illness in your life." *** Topic of the Month, a.k.a. "AMTRAK Collision of a Thread" Award *** [The following series of utterly amazing posts from the Acne.org forum is of such unprecedented quality that it's all but impossible to nominate just one. Thus, the entire collection is recipient of this never-before-seen prize.] "Evolutionists say that man originally evolved millions of years ago from a fish that crawled onto land and liked the scenery so much that it decided to stay. Now, if, as evolution dictates, organisms evolve certain mechanisms in order to survive in their particular surroundings, how the fuck did this fish, who had up to then spent all its life underwater breathing through it's gills, survive it's stay on dry land? I mean if you pull a fish out of the water, it is out of it's habitat and it writhers around and soon dies cos it doesn't have lungs. But this fuckin fish species was evidently so smart that it decided millions of years earlier to evolve lungs so that sometime in the future, you know, if things got boring in the drink, they could crawl onto land and evolve into squirrels, monkeys, apes and then man. And people think fish are clueless!!" "That little article [about scientific misconceptions] didn't explain a damn thing!!! I mean, the points I raised cannot just be overlooked." "I've practically been terrorised for proclaiming that Darwin has more holes in his theory than a leaking boat, but the only reason morons negate me is because their concepts are flawed and outdated and they know it... obviously the only way to make scientists understand this is by throwing bricks at them." "If anyone remembers the case of the Piltdown Man, and how the entire lower mandible was actually the jaw of an orang-utan, they'd think twice about the credibility of Darwin." "Why would a fish need to develop the capacity to breathe on land if it is a sea-bound organism? If this theory were put in reverse, then human sailors would spontaneously begin to develop gills in their multi-millenial preparation to become fish... The theory of evolution cannot explain these problems so it conviniently overlooks and ignores them. I have read lot's of literature both for and against evolution and my opinion is that Life on Earth is just too amazing and creative to be the product of random, chaotic natural selection. Cheers." "There are some who would argue this point with you. Some study where it was determined spirits or the supernatural were somehow weighed and the result was somewhere in ounces. 1 to 4 or something like that." "Of course I've heard of R. Dawkins and his books, I've often visited his web-site, www.world-of-dawkins.com [which has a large disclaimer at the top that it's not by Dawkins...] The book doesn't really explain stuff well in my opinion... if complex emotions are also the products of evolution, how come random natural selection gave them only to us humans, just one species out of tens of millions?
" "I haven't read his actual books but I've read heaps of excerpts and essays of his all over the net, gotten a good understanding of his philosophy." "The theory of evolution claims that all matter was formed by chance. By some extraordinary feat of magic, inorganic and unconcious matter 'developed' the ability to come together and form life. If this holds true than the ability for me to suddenly evolutionise (if circumstance permits) into a giant spiky eyeball also becomes a likely reality... "T Hence, it flies in the face of an evolutionary possibility... the probability of a protein being formed by chance is zero, therefore the probability of me turning into a deviant bodysnatcher to devour his guts (though unfortunate), is also zero. Also, homology, is a myth." "Aysia, you're my hero!!" "That little link of up there offers no answers to the question I raised earlier: How do evolving organisms with evolving i.e. semi-formed i.e. non-functional i.e. temporarily useless vital organs live and survive? If the heart is vital for a mammal to live, what kept it alive while it was evolving that heart?" "Another thing to consider is this: since evolution is ongoing, where are all the transitional life forms with evolving and currently-useless organs and limbs TODAY??????????? Are there any organisms today with semi-formed organs and limbs, ones that are, in lehman's terms 'under construction', due to become functional sometime in the next few millions of years?? The answer so far is a big fat NOPE!!!!.. These and other questions are routinely ignored by scientists who think their PhD in biology makes them Gods, er sorry, evolution's all-knowing gift to mankind!!" "Just so you know, I've spoken to biologists and evolutionary scientists in both Europe and Australia and NONE of them could explain to me the points I and Aysia just raised, they just say 'Oh, that field of research hasn't been fully explored yet.' Shitheads, if something hasn't been fully explored or explained, you can't declare it to be true!!!" [After that nonsense was debunked] "You've no doubt fallen for the same boring easy common trap of taking things at face value. Dig deeper, I mean really deep, deeper than the cholesterol-induced, sludgy slow stream of crap suffocating your neural pathways which is responsible for allowing your fingers to type such a croc of shit. Now grab hold of that one little piece of common sense that you have (no, don't eat it) and tack it to your disgusting forehead. Feel any better? It's no wonder the youth of today are so misguided. " "The controvery surrounding evolution is a hype which marxists and materialists feed off like the disappointing rot of decayed meat. Most poor, thick-headed sods are denied the comfort of knowing the truth because they have this innate belief that every fucking scientist is a genius. Well they're not. Scientists: they shit just like you and me, except that they have the priviledge to spout dogmatic political agendas and label it 'logic.'" "Bateria's ability to become resistant to antibiotics is not evolution, it's minor mutation, an immune reaction. Mutated bacteria are still bacteria, not fluffy rabbits. BTW, when I say that I have spoken to biologists and the like, I mean in a social capacity, since my elder sister is a biologist and she gets lots of visitors form colleagues abroad(probably cos she's a babe!!). She too doesn't believe in evolution, interestingly enough, and a lot of the arguements I have used here were first brought to my attention by her. So, for those who think me and Aysia are narrow-minded and blabbering on incoherently, go out and answer the very real and valid points we have raised and prove us wrong. My old favorite is: what keeps evolving organisms alive since they have no functional vital organs?" "There is no fossil evidence to prove that bird feathers once evolved from reptile scales. Au contraire, feathers appeared 'suddenly' in the fossil record as a complete, distinguished species of their own... I think it's my turn to pervasively screech, 'DO YOU PEOPLE READ ANY SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE AT ALL?!'" "Credibility is what you want it to be. If your narrow-minded prejudice prevents you from accepting that unfortunately, your ancestors probably didn't jump around vines with harems of beautiful semi-woman chimps while extracting dirty lice from each other's cooch, then it's a fault on your part - not mine." "You know, this getting really fucking old really fucking fast!!!! Volant keeps on asking me to provide certain scientific evidence to back up my claims while I am all the time appealing for him to use his common sense and logic!!!!!.. So the question must be asked (for like the 100th fucking time!!): What life support system did these evolving i.e. developing organisms have? What kept them alive while their hearts, brains, lungs, ect. were still being constructed? These organisms didn't have the benefit of a nice cozy womb, no, they lived out there in a cruel dog rape cat world. Do you see what I'm getting at? No? Let me explain. Evolutionists want you to believe that evolving organisms with effectively no brain, no heart, no lungs, no kidneys i.e. no vital organs lived healthy and productive lives. Have you ever seen a guy with no brain, no heart, no lungs walking around, pinching woman's asses? NO! WHY? BECAUSE IT'S PHUCKING PHYSICALLY AND BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Understand?????? So until evolutionary scientists come up with a feasable explanation as to to how evolving life forms with non-functional vital organs managed to keep themselves alive and healthy for all those tens of millions of years, I will continue to say 'You guys are full of shit!!!!!' Is common sense good enough Volant or will you still be requiring scientific evidence on what I've just said?" "Fucking Brilliant. I don't love many people, but I do love you Gumby.." "And since we're on the subject of God, you might want to check out one of my older posts where I proved using the laws of physics and nature that God does indeed exist and that without Him truly nothing could exist. I'd provide a link to the original thread but I can't remember it so you'll have to look for it yourselves." "Volant is one of those people who thinks he knows-it-all merely because he's sweat a brow by reading a few books written by mainstream logically-challenged evolutionists who think aliens are the missing link in green neon-glo booger monsters. He can't really explain anything without having to resort to pompuous heretics (and books spewn forth by scientists who have a personal vendetta against the possibility of God) who's historical achievement in science is as landmarked as a highly trafficked pile of horse-shit... I have nothing but respect for Gumby. At least he gives precise, well thought out and concise arguments reflecting that his knowledge isn't contrived as a result of visiting a few websites and acting smart. Gumby should inspire the 'neutral' section to really decide who's living in a fairytale world." "I see that for all the attempted rebuttals, nobody has been able to refute my claim: What keeps an evolving organism/animal with a semi-evolved i.e. non-functional i.e. practically useless heart, brain, respiratory/reproductive system alive and breeding for millions of years? Any takers?" "LISTEN ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!! I DID NOT SAY GIVE ME A FUCKING LINK [about creationist misconceptions] I SAID GO FIND THE SPECIFIC ANSWERS, WRITE THEM UP AND THEN POST THEM HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ME AND AYSIA HAVE GONE TO A LOT OF TROUBLE AND EFFORT TO PROVIDE ACTUAL DETAILS WITH OUR ARGUEMENTS SO THE LEAST YOU COULD DO IS RETURN THE FAVOUR!!!! ONE MORE TIME: NO LINKS, NO BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS, ONLY ACTUAL QUOTES, ONLY ACTUAL SPECIFIC INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE QUESTIONS RAISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH" "Sorry Piso, read all three links and NONE OF THEM explain any of the questions I raised. They go on about an organ functioning even though it's not fully developed. I didn't ask about ANY organ I asked about VITAL ORGANS i.e. brain, heart, lungs, kidneys and what kept the animal alive while they were evolving them. You can't seriously be suggesting that a half formed, unbeating heart is going to keep someone alive nor can you be suggesting that half-formed, uninflated lungs will do the same. Back to the drawing board for you!!" "If what Piso says is true than if a 4 month old foetus was pulled put of it's mother's womb, it wouldn't die but 'adapt' and grow up to be healthy and productive member of society because the brain, heart and lungs aren't really THAT vital... quit acting like a moron
please." "We are not discussing the evolution of organs, we are discussing what keeps an organism alive while it is evolving this vital organ, since it isn't evolving this organ just for the hell of it. You see my point?" "If my kid ever talks like that I'd scoop his eyes out, throw it in a jar full of Indian spices mixed with dog urine, and shove it up his ass with broken glass ornaments while slitting his throat with the best razor blade I can find at the dollar store. Then I'd strip off his filthy skin, and use it as a gift wrapper. I'd use my feet to stomp and squash his fucking bones, and sprinkle the dust and remains of the bones around his daddy's Mercedes." "If you're going to play the character of some obnoxious, boastful cunt with a thorn up his ass when it's obvious you don't have any personal opinions of a given subject, except the lucky logical cushioning of various links all established by evolutionist frootloopers, then it's fucking retarded to play the sympathy card and expect people to come and hand you tissues when you start crying because your answers suck." "Thinking too much will rot your soul." "What was it half way through it's evolution then? How did the organism or animal reproduce with it being fully operational? You cnnot ignore this paradox. At what point did reproductive systems switch from asexual to sexual? Did this mean that some organisms or animals had both a functional asexual reproductive system and an evolving sexual one?" "You havn't been able to rebutt a single one of my arguements using proven and specific scientific evidence and research, only postulations and ridiculous statements ('When it did, PREHAPS sexual reproduction had not yet evolved, that is the beauty of evolution,' ect.). According to you, vital organs are not really necessary, even though they evolved and non-functional reproductive systems are actually very functional, only in a 'sort of' way... Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case (and my overheated brain)" "This laughing stock put forth his case forcefully and with legitimate arguments and questions to which Mr. Messiah Complex responded with say-nothing links, dubious book recommendations and no CONCRETE, thematically-specific rebuttals. Ah well...................... *laughing stock hangs withered head in shame and stumbles off wondering whether pearl divers will someday evolve gills to assist them with their humanitarian work for the bourgeoisie*" "How can a population evolve if an organism's reproductive system don't work??? If you cannot see the paradox's me and Aysia have raised, well that's your problem, I really couldn't be bothered explaining the painfully logical to you." "The Second Law of Thermodynamics... clearly shows that a system's entropy is increased as it moves towards a more disorientated and unplanned state... evolution thus totally overthrows this basic physic law. Systems should decay over time, giving less not more order. The fundamental order of the heart should be less organised over time. This total contradiction of laws has been noted by Roger Lewin1, who also seems to agree with me that evolutionists are indeed cushion-headed pillocks who should have have been dissected like poisonous, shit-eating rodents and left to die... But, I'm sure Pisshead will contradict this by cowering under the mangling futility that the Second Law of Thermodynamics only holds true for closed systems, and that 'open' systems are beyond the scope of this law." "The same scientists which you so cleverly admire... are now the ones who are apologetically licking Creationist ass, and confessing they were indeed wrong. Also, you and volant didn't answer any of the questions thus posed by Gumby or I - giving only meaningless links which is about as helpful as a broken condom... You merely read a few words out of a well-thumbed and outdated, pro-evolution GCSE textbook and carefully tacked it where you thought it was necessary, and actually thought this was good enough to validate your piss-poor argument." "Im sorry but Aysia is seriously kicking ass here. KICKING ASS!" "Piso, do the world (and yourself) a big favour and read these books: [insert long, long list of creationist rags]... Also, though his work is mildly 'intriguing' and 'breath-taking,' R. Dawkins suffered being an agressive atheist and was a keen proponent of bullshit - hence, one should be wary of the personal influences of such a scientifical nut on the conceited wool-over-eyes, world-wide propaganda of the despicable evolution theory..." "Aysia, now I love you even more!!!" "Anyone who would consider Dawkins to be a valuable read obviously needs their eyeballs bleached." "Thanks for ruining this thread guys." "I truly hope for the sake of the Lounge, that you can dissolve this grudge and move on to better and more fruitful endeavours." "Now that I bothered to read through www.talkorigins.org, it only strengthens my resolve that certain evolutionary theories, are indeed, ridiculous ponce. The unfortunate thing is, I can hardly give Piso credit when he's simply cut and pasted all his ingenious rebuttals and sources off a website which actively promotes a cookie-cut guide to overpowering basic creationist claims in order to procure an evolutionist 'victory' - though mega props to him for trying to get away with it." "The propensity to alike negro men to gorillas obviously devalues the scientific merit and achievements of Darwin - a fallen man, in my opinion. You might also like to know that Darwin had never undergone a formal education in biology - so long for diploma mills." "This [that Darwin's personal 19th century views don't affect the validity of evolution] is the height of mediocrity - it is a poor attempt to dilute racial stigma. If I had a personal vendetta against a given subject, there would be more than a likely probability that I would assimilate and throw this negativity into the groundwork - even refraining from being proactive in this instance, would change the foundation of my subject to some extent. Considering this is a man who fathered evolution, and also the fact that his work was an evidence of at least some racial prejudice, it is a disgusting reveal into the much hyped-up bullshit perpetuated by many evolutionists, under the sickening guise of reason." "Your question [about creationist dishonesty] is funny because the only one who will judge is Jesus if you believe the Bible...If I have the righteousness of Jesus all my sins will be washed away whether its lying or murder...Absent the righteousness of Jesus,
I WILL BURN WITH YOU..The problem is TK is that you have no way of attaining heaven..if you are right, it doesn't exist..if I'm right you are going to Hell." "TRUTH may hurt your cause and that is something you can't face." "And we already know the God haters of the ACLU do not have any respect for Christians. Look at the lie of separation of Church and state. The ACLU made that up and then lied about why they do it. Soon, God will deal with the ACLU and it's mocking God and His will. I pray those lost in the ACLU find Jesus before it is too late. Not much time left and the stance of the ACLU does not bode well." "Did ya`ll hear about New York marrying same sex couples, today? Let them keep it up, God is longsuffering, but you know His patience is probably wearing thin, on this same sex marriage crap. The thing that irks me is seeing these people kiss in public, disgusting!!!!!! I was happy to hear the president finally speak against this abomination!!!!!! Just fed up!!!!!!!!!!!!" "The perverts need to get back in the closet! I had to explain to my 10 yr old twins last week what homosexuality is; they'd seen the gay marriage coverage on the news. I'm glad to report they were immediately disgusted." "I think maybe the homosexuals will be somehow divinely gathered together (a sort of city of their own) and destroyed if Jesus isn't ready to return quite yet. There has to be a reason God despises this one sin so much that He even destroyed 2 cities because of it....and I just don't see Him putting up with this much longer. If He isn't ready to return then they have to go, if He is ready to return, then we have to go. (I like to believe the latter)." "I was listening to KNEW 910 San Francisco and a gay caller called in and said that everything was going according to plan with the gay agenda. He also said they'll be running things within ten years and warned if anything happened to derail gay marriage, that America should be ready for massive gay riots." "UGGGH Imprisoning them [gays] is one thing. If they have laws and want to enforce them, that's their perogative and I certainly support their right to do that. However, torturing them is something entirely different... Shame on them." "Torturing for that reason is wrong." "Anyways, it is of little consequence whether homosexuals are assured or not. They were aware of the law, they broke it. Do the crime, do the time. A very simple philosophy, really." "This seems to be inconsistant with surveys. This makes evolutionists mad, because even though all the schools and media outlets teach that monkeys and Man descended from a common ancestor, most people have enough common sense to reject such a preposterous claim." *** Post of the Week, March 14-20 *** "God undoubtedly told this account [Genesis 1] to Adam... The second story was Adam's account, which like many newspaper accounts is not necessarily in chronological sequence like the first story... it was a collection of stories, written by eyewitnesses to the events they describe. Some of these would have been preserved on the Ark by Noah, and Moses, being a Prince of Egypt prrobably found them preserved in the libraries in Egypt. He must have been inspired by God to compile the stories into a single document which we today call the Book of Genesis... It certainly makes far more sense than believing that God dictated all that to Moses or that Moses made it all up." "Atheist Forum or Satanic Forum?.. I think the Politics section of this board should be renamed either to Atheist Forum or Satanic Forum. The majority of people who post their Bible-hating drivel on here are non-Christians. And it seems none of the forum rules apply to them but only to Christians." "^---- First reply by ....drumroll please...a pagan! Thanks for helping to strengthen my argument.." "The facts do not support your irrational claim. In this thread (so far) the Bible-haters [i.e. non-Christians] outnumber the God-fearing Christians 5 to 2." "Calling someone an Atheist is an attack? Well I guess if you understand the nature of Atheism, I could see why you would think that." "You using open-minded to describe the majority of pagans and atheists on here is outright laughable. The only reason why the majority of them come here is not to share ideas, but to spew hate speech towards the Bible-believers. I have yet to hear a single logical explanation from a pagan or atheist. Could you site a specific example because I have no idea what you're talking about?" [Replying to 'I come here to... defend my right not to have religion imposed on my by the government'] "So you think theft and murder should be legalized?" "Can you give an example [of non-religious arguments against theft and murder] or is this just in your Atheist fantasy world?" "This forum is a joke. I was really excited because I thought I had found a Christian Forum on the internet. I thought it would be a place where I could discuss politics with God-fearing people. It turns out this isn't a Christian Forum at all, but just another forum for Christian-bashing, Bible-hating, and God-hating leftists. So long all, it was fun while it lasted.* If I want to be censored and persectued for my beliefs I'd rather do it on
StormFront.org [a neo-nazi board]. I don't have to do it on a so-called Christian Forum." * Don't worry, he comes back later just in time to post his... interesting solution to the Israeli/Palestinian problem. *** "Most Edumacated Creationist" Trophy *** "Why do you doubt that Eden ever existed and why do you need more than scriptual evidence? We are dealing with Moses here, who has more than proven himself to be reliable as a historian. If you want to live off in your own little fantasy world, your welcome to do that. But if you want to live in the real world, then there are things that people accept that live in the real world." "Convince you [Genesis is history]? There is a little bit of a problem with that, sense people lived to be 1000 year back then and that maybe a little bit of a stretch for you to believe." "I am just stating the facts. The Bible is absolute truth. There is some truth in Science and I beleive we can use the Bible to determine what can be considered reliable and what areas of science should be disregarded. The Bible sets the standard that science can only hope to live up to." *** "Most Informed Critique of Another Religion" Award *** "I cannot believe what I saw on the news last night*... there was an interview w/a Catholic Parishoner... Full-face, on his forehead was a large black smudge... this mark bore no resemblance to a cross whatsoever. In my entire life, never had I seen this sight! I chalked it up to just a real radical person. The last time I saw a smudge like that was on Charles Manson. Then, it showed the people coming out of the church a moment later. I sat and stared in total amazement... people walking out of that Catholic church had the same black smudge on their forehead!!! Right smack dab in the center! I have never felt such a cold chill as that which enveloped me. I tingled all over in stunned amazement. I told my husband that I wondered if this was just the 'forerunner' [to the Mark of the
Beast]? It made an huge impact on me, and it should have done so for the entire Christian population. I don't know why it was 'black' or why it was in the center of the
forehead, but one thing I do know, it was a bone-chilling sight!" * The above was posted a day or so after Ash Wednesday. "Shows what people believe when you repeat a lie often enough...sigh. I have known a fair number of gay couples in the past. This is the reality of the situation - gay couples love each other so much that they bed with a parada of other partners without a second thought. I have not known any exceptions to this behaviour amoung them. These so called gay couples usually start breaking apart when both decide to sleep with the same other person and jealousy kicks in. 'Coupleship' is a joke amoung the gays I have known. If society said, 'Ok, everyone can get married but it will be a criminal offense to commit adultery, and you can only get married once.' the gay communtiy would go ballistic . It is not what they want." [When some vandals beheaded a Virgin Mary statue] "It wasn't nice that the stone was broken(by human hands), but who knows, God may have been tired of the idolatry and decided that it had to go. Wouldn't be the first time that God destroyed man's idols that mocked Him and His sovereignty." "In fact, a woman has no RIGHT to an empty womb; getting pregnant is part of being a woman - that's how it naturally is and, though it might seem unfair, that's how it was meant to be. Who are we to accuse nature of imposing on our supposed rights?" [Replying to 'would you renounce Christ to save your life and family?'] "This may sound harsh but one time I told Maria that if I had to make a choice, her life or renouncing Christ, she was going to die. And I expect the same from her!" "That's powerful man. That awe-inspires the heck outta me. I think I'm going to bring this up to the girl I marry someday too. I mean, your marriage is about you, your spouse with God as the head and all. Must be nice." "That used to bother me a great deal. What should I do if...? If I let my spouse die when I could save her with just the words from my mouth would not this be a very great sin? On the other hand how could I deny Christ!? I got the answer in, of all things, a comic book! That very scenario was presented. The doomed character begged, 'Don't do it (deny Christ)! I am saved. My destiny is assured.' That's it. My destiny and hers are assured." "Most of you have responded as if it was the life of a saved person who was going to lose it... the slightly more difficult hypothetical question is when the life of an unsaved person is at stake. Would I renounce Christ to save the life of an unsaved friend of mine, so that she might have a chance at life and coming to accept salvation? I would say that I wouldn't. What sort of example would I set if I were to renounce Christ before her? " "Do you deny your God and break your relationship with Him, damning your own soul to eternal hell (which you will later regret in hell), or do you let your children undergo a highly imaginative demise - mayhap even before your own eyes? My advice under that scenario is to let God be in control. Sure your children, perhaps your spouse or parents may suffer because of your choice, but you never know what God would do to alliviate that suffering for them, or maybe they need to suffer to get themselves in shape with Christ." "I love my children more then I every thought I could, however I would watch them die before I would renounce Christ, I know I would see them in heaven." [On Hillary Clinton potentially wanting the Vice Presidency] "Help I am trapped in a nightmare and can't get out!!!" "God help us all." "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Please, oh please, come quickly, Lord Jesus!" "Oh Good Grief! If that happened Bush would be in SERIOUS trouble... Do we, however, think that her monstrous ego would tolerate only being second in command of this country again?" "Pinch me, PINCH me, don't let this be a reality, tell me it's a dream! I pray this doesn't happen. This may be terrible to say, but I have always seen evil in her eyes." "Hey MG....The whole lot of us will need prayer if the woman does make it. I guess we just need to look at her as dreadfully deceived. I guess we need to look at all the world that doesn't know Christ with pity instead of hate right?" "Whose to say she stays only 2nd in command for long? Kerry didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he would have to be looking over his shoulder all the time if he picked her to be his successor in case an ACCIDENT should befall him." "My gosh Elizabeth, I didn't even think of that, she would be one assination away from presidency. oops, I meant assasination. (did I even spell that right?)" "I was going to post exactly the same thing, Elizabeth, but you beat me to it! I believe that is EXACTLY what will happen if she is vp to anyone. Just look at the line of 'accidents' that happened during the Clinton years. Funny how the 'accidents' stopped when the administration changed, huh?" "This would be an interesting ticket with a women running with Kerry. Especially as liberal as our country is going.This would not surprise me." "I just had a morbid thought. If the VP and his wife lives in the White House, wouldn't it be something if Hillary becomes VP and husband Bill moves back into the White House!?" "Also, if Hillary is VEEP, you better believe that Bill will be right there trying to run the presidency and using Kerry as a straw man to do.....get that 3rd term in that the 22nd amendment denied him." "How about this scary scenario: Hillary is not running for vp, but is making herself very visible. Kerry has an 'accident' before the election, and Hillary steps in as the new nominee, here to save the day for the democrats. Don't know how plausable this is, I just have an active imagination today." "I believe Bill and Hillary both made a pact with the devil, so as far as what Hillary does to gain the top job, anything is possible. I fully believe she will be president, sooner than we think." [Replying to 'are you seriously suggesting that she will murder Kerry?'] "All I know is, that many accidents befall people around the Clintons. Just ask Adm Boorda.................oh wait, he is dead.....well ask,um.......nope, he's dead............and that CIA guy......oh no wait, he is dead also, then we can ask that guy in Arkansas...........dead too, never mind... I'm just saying many accidents, Susan McDougle chose prison rather than an accident befalling her............" "Shoot, Elizabeth, you beat me to it!!! In all seriousness, IF Skerry and Hitlary are elected (God help us all), if I were Skerry I'd be afraid, very afraid of ending up like Vince Foster." "They could just as well sabotage Kerry before the election and Bush does 4 more years. Then it would be open for Hillary. during that time, they can do what they do best, trash the economy, creating doubt or confidence in the investor and create self fullfiling prophecy or trashing the economy with low confidence, and then wham! they can step in to save the day after Bush is done with 8 years." "Very scary thought...and lets add to your scenerio. What if something happened to Hillary and Bill became president again? Wild imagination huh?" *** Conspiracy Theory of the Month *** "Oh, I got it. Kerry is President, Hillary VP. Kerry is knocked off. Hillary is now President. She has to choose a new VP (ala Nixon/Agnew/Ford). She picks Bill. Hillary is knocked off. Bill becomes President." "If, and I pray not, she ever made the big president, which she might if we were all raptured, do you think that she would abuse the interns.?????" "It is called discernment. And informed. The ones who say people are afraid of Hillary are just trolling. We don't have to be afraid, cause when God is on our side, who can be against us . Many feel Hillary in office will actually benefit us as in another sign, when she trashes the country and hands it over to the UN... Shame that liberals have such a fear for discernment." "oh, one more thing I forgot to mention.. Things that are occult such as ouija boards, psycics, new age medicine, etc.....these things are very often where demons get into our lives." "That your problems [with sleep paralysis symptoms] began shortly after playing with an ouija board tells me that your experiences are very likely demonic . . . If anyone has been attacked by a demon while asleep or awake, they know what you are speaking of . . You need to see a priest who is an exorcist . . I am not saying this lightly... Pray NOW for God's help! When you play with occultic 'games' such as the ouija board, you open yourself up to the demonic realm, and this can result in the type of oppression you are describing . . Those who do not believe in God are going to try to find a natural explanation of course. But your whole description of your life taking such a turn after your encounters with a game that taps into the demonic realm speak to me of actual demonic encounters and oppression... I have had several encounters with the demonic. Demons are very, very real. And you are right. If demons are real, then God also is real . . you are finding this out the hard way . . ." "hello deevee unfotunately for me and fortunatly for you I have experience with this. You have summoned a unclaen[evil]spirit or pherhaps even a lower demon on people It can use Its influence when they are weak[the people] mostly It can play games with your mind[you as its puppet on a string] The moment between awakeness and going to sleep it has the best chance to influence you... WHEN YOU SEE HIM OR FEEL HIM NEAR YOU YOU CAN SEND HIM AWAY IN THE NAME OF GOD. dark spirits are infact the most dangerous things out there many murders and other horible things happen by their influence never let them use you send them away." "The 'hole' in this theory (#! sleep paralysis) for DeeVee is that the last experience he related occured was while he was FULLY awake! No possibility of an experience of sleep paralysis there, or concurrent hallucinations . . No . . this is not simple 'sleep paralysis' . . the fact that some here don't believe in the supernatural also clouds the advice given . ." "This is why going to a Catholic priest who is also an exorcist is a good choice. . they are well trained to distinguish between a psychological condition and a demonic or supernatural one . ." "thereselittleflower is absolutely right..i was fully awake and conscious of my surroundings...i remember everything i did and thought about right up to the point i got poked in the back...at no point was i paralysed. Physical touch and pain cant be hallucinated..no matter what you all try and say. I don't believe for a second it had anything to do with sleep paralysis.." "Do you remember how long you laid there like that? What you did while you laid there besides thinking about your day? Wher you able to move around without any problems? This is what I understood you to be saying [smiley] Do you need help finding a priest who can help you with this?" "I am sorry to hear you feel this way. But just because someone is having these types of experiences does not mean they have a neurological disorder. I am familiar with the types of epilepsy there are, and there are types that people are surprised to find out exist . . You don't know my medical background . . I am also somewhat familiar with demonic activity . . . This is why I suggested that the OP see a Priest who is an exorcist as they are trained to recognize the difference . ." "Where the ignorance here really here is in regards to those outside the Church understanding the process the Church goes through when looking at possible demonic activity . . This is one reason why only certain priests are allowed to do exorcisms. They have to be trained to be able to make sure they are really dealing with demonic activity. It is not something done in ignorance or blindly . .." "1. I am a Christian. Why would I want to spread homosexuality? And stop spewing this BS about religious ideas having no place in our laws. Where do you think American morals came from in the first place? Christian beliefs. There is no disputing the facts." "And I choose to be a sheep of God...thanks for the compliment" "And I know what you mean. Once you have experienced something on the spiritual realm, you just can't deny the truth. It doesnt matter what anyone says about how things can be explained away or suppressed with chemical imbalance solutions and drugs; because the experience that each of us has as individuals cannot be denied. Keep seeking after God and you will find the answers." "Overpopulation is a myth. Try driving from California to New York. What do you see? Mostly nothing." *** "Silly Chinese Kids!" Prize *** "I truly agree! People decide where they want to live, and if they decide they want to live in an over crowed city, that is there own fault." "Sin & Sickness... There is a passage in the Bible, that ever sense I first read it, I have considered it to be a VERY important passage in terms of WHY people get sick. It can be found in 1 Corinthians 11:23-34... For this reason MANY are weak and sick among you, and MANY sleep... The reason this scripture caught my attention is the word MANY... Clearly we are told that many here refers to more than half the people. It refers to the majority of people and not the minority. Over the last 20 years, I have talked to quite a few pastors about this passage... In the most simple of terms, this passage means that we are to be delivered from Sin." "It has to do with why I have a problem with doctors. The answer being, because they do not know or understand the true problem or cause of sickness and disease. Of course this is only a beginning, a start. There is a lot more to it than this. Truth sets people free. When you preach and teach the truth, you can expect to see miracles, signs, wonders, healing and deliverance." "Take your atheism elsewhere, this is a christian website." "No one is saying that people should not go to doctors or seek medical treatment. That is not the issue. It is sad that you do not understand the most simple and basic of christian teaching. I am amazed that I run into doctors and Phd's that do not even have a third grade level of understanding of the Bible." [Replying to 'So which diseases does sin cause?'] "That would be part two, and we would need to go back into the teaching of Moses. But one thing that would be covered by Moses, is any disease that could be found in Egypt at that time. Ex 15:26... 'If you diligently heed the voice of the Lord your God... I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the Lord who heals you.' My sister told me about a book written by a medical doctor called something like: 'none of these diseases'. He talks about Moses and a Bible approach to staying healthy." "Actually, that was one of the most annointed Bible studies that I have done sense a teaching I did at Bible college. I prayed for two or three hours before I put that together. If more people understood what Paul was saying in that passage, there would be a lot less sickess for doctors to have to deal with. They tell me that One Drop of the Divine Blood of Jesus is all that it would take to cure all of the sickness in this world." [Replying to 'So viruses and bacteria don't cause sickness?'] "Not if they can not find a host to cause sickness in. Now I have a question. Why do doctors and nurses seldom get sick, even though they are around sick people all day?" "Remember, when you judge me, your really only judging yourself." "There are a few studies that come to mind. One had to do with high blood preassure. There was no preferance for Christians over other religions, but in general, they more someone attended church, the more they read their Bible and prayed, the lower their blood preasure was... But the results [of another study] showed that selfish people have more health problems and they die sooner than people who do what they can to help others. In general the studies have found that calling yourself a christian does not seem to make any difference. But doing things that would be considered christian, does seem to make a difference." *** Frostbite Denial Award *** "It is correct to say that there are living cells in an arm, but not correct to say that the arm is alive - there is a BIG difference. And an arm is much different than a fetus. For one, a fetus is alive and an arm isn't... You can kill a living fetus because it lives; you cannot kill an arm, because arm's aren't alive." "Why must creationism be excluded? It seems to be the most time-tested, logical theory of our origin that has ever existed." "I'm guessing you might be referring back to Darwins theory about humans evolving from ape. Ok How could this be true? If it happened over a long period of time how could it not die or sumthin? Reasons or questions:
"this is what u said right? OK first off about the beating children thing. God has rules. Some parents have rules. As long as its not child abuse ,it may be to discipline (if I spelled that word right?)them... What wrong with casting out demons? Demon possession is a very serious thing. The plucking out the eyes pleez tell me where in the Bible you got this from... in the Middle east if you steal sumthin (or the way they used to do it or sumthin I'm not sure) that watever hand you stole it with would have to be cut off or sumthin. Doing that might teach you not to steal again. i don't know If I exactly agree with it but I might be guessing if sumone got their hand cut off from stealing sumthin I'm guessing they probably wouldn't steal again." "I don't get is - are you trying to say Christianity is a cult? Or founded on one?LOL !!! Cults occur when Satan realises, that no matter what he does, that people want to follow God, and don't want to knowingly follow him. He manipulates potential leaders, and sometimes the members don't realise that they are following Satan. Freemasonry for example... How can people be so stupid? Well, there has to be a kind of supernatural power to get people to pay attention... Often, Satan will make his pawns very persuasive, or often when these people see something happen they will believe that their human leaders really are of God. Simply more lies from Satan, he can make anything appear however he wants it to, especially if it means bringing people from God... Jesus could not be deemed evil. He also can't be deemed a fake, because I doubt people would have bothered following him if they didn't see sufficient evidence he really was the Son of God... It may all seem very made up.. but check out my demons thread for my reasons for believing that there is so much more out there than we can actually see." "Demons.. are they real?... I'd really love to hear from Atheists on this one, and also get some help from brothers and sisters who can help back me up. I wanted to start this thread because to me, the presence of demons is one of the most obvious proofs to show that Christianity is no lie... I have an evangelist friend... God gave him the power to cast out demons, which he did whenever he could, and he has so many amazing stories about people he came across. Some were healed.. some were converted from Satanism... my friend and another woman had a prayer meeting, and out of the blue, a really low man's voice started coming out of my friend's stomach... Our evangelist friend talked to this thing, binded it in the name of Jesus, and asked it it's name. It said 'fear', and as the other woman present got freaked out they couldn't get it to leave...As I am sure my friend isn't lying, and there are thousands of these stories happen every day, we can assume people at least see and hear these things. But is it really a mass delusion? Was Jesus having delusions too? After all, if he had failed to do miracles then I doubt so many would have followed him... In a world of logic, what is the explanation for these illogical things?" "I'm personally convinced the Demon's main stronghold on Earth is in California somewhere, maybe near Berkley or Hollywood/LA. They seem to have combined the Gay Plot and the Political Correctness Plot here." "Surely Atheists themselves are proof of demons, after all, there is no other human belief that does no harm to others that is attacked so intensely or with so much gusto. If you weren't simply trying to convince yourself rather than me, not only would you not be here, but you would just leave people to their own beliefs. Surely crazy people aren't worth wasting your time on, especially when there are 1 billion of them?" *** Post of the Week, March 21-27 *** "On a social basis, I can think of a way that they are opposing doctrines. Christianity preaches a message of love and selflessness.. Homosexuality is all about preaching hate and selfishness to the opposition, using every technique available to them to silence the critics." "I'm not going to offer my opinion on the actual interracial marriage, although they were forbidden in the Bible. What I will say is will somebody PLEEEEAASE think of the children. haha. No. It's true. All kidding aside. Nobody bothers to think of them. They don't fit in anywhere and are thus segregated from their peers. They aren't black and they aren't white. Although they might be able to fit in on some superficial level, they don't have anything to call their own and it just isn't fair to them." "Please don't use homophobe. It demonstrates ignorance and hatemongering, and the last thing we need is more of that. I can understand why some people would be against both [interracial and gay marriage]. Both are against what the Bible preaches. As for me, I have no opinion on the actual interracial marriage. I remain neutral. miscegenation is not a clear abomination as homosexuality is. Nor is it an evolutionary dead-end like homosexuality. It just might be a bit selfish because no consideration is given to the child(ren), however." "for the record, I think Halle Berry is not attractive at all and should not be used to support miscegenation. If anything she's evidence against it. I really don't get what people see in her." "I don't think interracial marriage is sinful per se. However, I think in most cases it is probably unwise and shouldn't be encouraged. And those who oppose it shouldn't automatically be denounced as 'hateful racists', because in many cases they aren't." "It makes a difference because of cultural cohesion and the definition of nationhood. I think biblically speaking, it's pretty clear that racial segregation (not animosity) was begun and used by God, represents the natural 'order', if you will, and is a pretty positive thing overall. That said, I'm not condemning anyone who chooses to miscegenate. Again, I'm just concerned about the vilification of those who --for biblically and philosophically sound reasons--oppose it." "Why does everything have to be black and white? Let's just let it [interracial marriage] ride and leave the choice up to the individual. The choice won't send them to hell that I know of." "Much like the rest of us? That's also debatable. How do we know that ALL humans aren't born with the attraction to the opposite sex? We don't, and faulty homosexual science certainly hasn't proven anything to the contrary." "Being born a certain way doesn't make it right or natural anyway. Someone could be born with a kleptomaniac gene or a tourette syndrome gene, that still doesn't make those activities okay. People are born mentally ill, that doesn't make erratic and crazy behaviour acceptable." "I don't think the murderers [of Matthew Shepherd] are homophobes either, necessarily. I have seen no empirical evidence that this is the case. Don't get me wrong or put words in my mouth, though. There is no excuse for murdering anyone, never mind a homosexual or someone of a different race or creed. However, I am going to put forward that the action is born out of hatred." *** "O'Reilly Loves me, this I Know" Prize *** "Why waste your time flipping back and forth [cross-examining other news sources] when FOX gives you 'fair and balanced'. They tell you that right up front. Save yourself the frustration." "Of the groups you mentioned [Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus], only the Jews were in existence when Jesus walked upon the earth." "We have confirmation with the N.T. teachings (John 3:2, Mark 16:20, and Heb. 2:3-4). What confirmation is offered by the other groups that God supports their existence and teaching?" "Bob, does this [Harry Potter] remind you of another prominent series of movies? 'The force be with you'??? Don't think about what you do, just let the force run what you do??? Unfortunately, there are forces around to run what the unbeliever does -- we Christians just have our wretched flesh/human nature (not body) to take over with the evil forces and the world just around to make suggestions... God is not a 'force,' or a 'higher power.' Can you not see a common denominator between Potter, Star Wars, and A[lcoholics ]A[nonymou]'s 'higher power'?" "There must be many times that the Bible says, 'Fear not.' Revelation speaks of the cowardly... 'But for the COWARDLY and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.'... How pitiful and terrible it is for someone who is fearful of a miserable life, who then commits suicide, only to find he is out of the frying pan & into the fire." "What's ironic is the Germans are building a monument to the 50-100,000 fags that were killed by the Nazis but none of them were killed BECAUSE they were fags... We Christians are expendable to the perverts of the world I guess.
" "You hit the nail on the head, Eric. 'Christians are expendable' There are few more accurate descriptions of us. We have the sentence of death in ourselves, but we fear not death. We know that there is a martyr's crown, but have to be special to get it." *** "Still Posting on a Computer" Award *** "If creationism 'took over' It would be a wonderful thing. People could
get back to learning about Christ and not bothering with Science. So many
Christians these days have made it their 'spiritual' journey to attack Science--
its wasted effort. Maybe if they just get rid of science all together, they can
get back to the business of living for Christ without all the
distractions." "Hahahahaaaaaa Chiropractors have been telling people for yeeeeeeeears, to be careful with the antibiotics. But did anybody listen????????? Nooooooooooooooooooo So reap the rewards, folks. Are you listening now as your Chiropractors tell you not to vax[ccinate] your kids?????????? Nooooooooooo, not until you hear it on the 6 o'clock news." "Please post this rule [against medical advice]. I can't find it. And also, if you don't mind, please post from my post where I advised people to disregard their doctor's advice." *** Non-Sequitur of the Month *** "Please explain to me how I can possibly be giving MEDICAL advice when I am NOT a medical doctor [scratching-head smiley]" "Well, gee, telling folks not to take drugs and not to vax their kids is NOT medical advice. Medical advice is telling folks to take drugs and vax their kids." "We need to stop being a nation of 'sheeple,' blindly following and believing what the medical profession tells us." "Of course you have left out that Jesus did not deserve any torture or death and we do." "I'm an economist by trade, and thought I would try my hand at describing an simple economic analysis of religious decision-making... Now let's assume that there are only two possible religious choices in the world: Christianity and Atheism... So take infinite blessings and subtract, say 70 years of pain and suffering for being a Christian while on Earth, and the result is still infinity. If you're an atheist, assume 70 years of pure pleasure and no costs whatsoever, and the result is still 0. If you're an atheist, and this economic analysis hasn't convinced you, then you have just shown that many people don't make rational decisions when it comes to accepting or rejecting Jesus Christ. Now, assume you're God, and a person has refused to believe in you and refusing to accept Jesus Christ, despite such clear and convincing evidence. What might be a logical punishment for such a person?
" "Awesome post, Blaisse Pascal would have been proud!" "There is nothing new under the sun (King Solomon). Virtually everything discussed on Christian Forums has been talked about before, sometimes for thousands of years. But clearly repetition helps. Some concepts take a long time to sink in..." "atheists sure seem to fear that ole wager of Paschal (even though it isnt an airtight logical theorem, it is still a wager and a compelling one at that! that's why there are very very few atheists in foxholes and thats why about 95% or so of people on their death beds hedge their bets in favor of theism!" "17 year olds have a lot more bravado when it comes to talking about death. that will change." "God could have accelerated nuclear decay during the flood as a mechanism for generating tectonics. He could have accelerated decay just from his creative process on forming the earth. Also the curse could have effected nuclear decay. The are ways of explaining the same data within a literal Genesis framework without resorting to ad hoc theories void of scriptural support." "People often point out that God is vindicative in the OT. The reason is because the nations whom were to be wiped out were already so evil that there was no hope of redemption. It would be much the same IF (and I say IF) the Muslim world suddenly had a collective realization that they collectively must bring down the Capitalist system of the West by any means necessary. If we as a nation saw that we could not control or predict where the suicide bombers were coming from, we as a nation may conclude that we would have no choice but to eliminate all people of that system. Is this right? Well, as evolutionists like to point out, 'Survival of the Fittest'. I am not suggesting that this belief is a reality...I am just saying 'what if?'" *** Bizarre Creationist Assertion of the Month *** "I imagine there was quite a bit of debris floating around [during Noah's flood] for insects to survive on." "Quite simple. God created everything with age instead of waiting 5 billion years to start humanity... God condensed 5 billion years in a short period of time. As a result, the Earth appears 5 billion years old, but wasn't created that long ago. Its not like that would be a challenge for God. Now you say God is being deceptive. Its not deceptive if He tells us what He did. If you accepted God's existence and the Bible, it wouldn't be an issue. You would look at the world and say, yup, fits with what God did." *** Non-Contradiction Award *** "Muslims had to fight those who didnt allow the peaceful spread of Islam." "Having said that, I must believe that The Passion is divinely inspired and directed through Mel Gibson by God himself. Why must I believe this? Because the absolute paroxyms that Hollywood and the critics are going through... They remind me of demons touched by holy water, steaming and squirming. So the movie must have been divinely inspired to evoke such horror from disbelievers" "The anti-religion crowd which seeks to impose a secular ideology on all American Christians, Jews and Muslims don't seem to be intellectually able to justiify their philosophical claims and demands... and consistently refuse to state the principles upon which their secular opinions are based. Secualrists constantly attack religionists in gov't as if they have no right to be there. Just witness the democratic attack upon Christian George Bush." "What about our pesent-day Holy wars? Whose side are you on?.. One is either pro-religion or against it. Same pretext as the argument for or against homosexualtiy and abortion. Wassa problem? Are you anti-religion?" "Christians are foolish to attack each other on the basis of Christianity when secularists have created and fomented all the divisions between Christians, Muslims and Jews in the world recently... Christians don't seem to realize that there is a religious war going on and secularists are telling Christians to stay out of it. It should be the other way around." "you're so intellectually dishonest it's sad... Want proof of the evil of your stance [theistic evolution]? You’ve got Boshido [another poster] thinking homosexual sex isn’t sinful! What’s next, the infallibility of man.. oh yea, that’s what your faith in science knowing more than the bible is predicated on. Your views are spiritually devoid, Romans 1 applies directly to you.. but rebuke from the bible isn't something you have to worry about, is it?" |