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Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
October 2002 Edition
[Replying to 'Would you consider women being forbidden to speak in
church sexist?'] "No, because firstly, that women aren't any less
than men because they aren't allowed to speak, and secondly, such a
statement would only be made if there is a good reason. Never does the
Bible say that women are less than equal." "Well, on a personal standpoint and being a Christian the only
literature I need to read to understand there is proof that Jesus existed
and that He had a brother named James is the bible. I dont care what the
scientist have to say, I dont care what the LA times has to say..or any
person out there. I have my proof and that is why I believe." [On clinical depression] "While what you are experiencing may
simply be demonic attack exacerbated by isolation from a community, it may
also be a physiochemical imbalance needing a medical doctor's
intervention. Please do look into both courses of action." "I know that it is getting close to Halloween so you see ghosts
every wear in the stores. That makes me wonder. What are ghosts? They have
been documented and scientificaly researched. Evan the most sane people
see hauntings. I've taken a tour of an actual huanted house (The Whaley
House, San Diego, CA) I know that when you die you go to Judgment Day and
so on and so forth. Are these realy spirits of the departed. I was an
amateur paranormal investigator and I have seen some pretty wierd stuff. I
just want to know what it is. Is it a demon? It could be but demons are
monopreasant. Multiple ghosts can be seen. Is there some cross between
Heaven and Hell when spirits srill walk the Earth." "Ghosts are everywhere. I think a lot are good though. I have been
walking in my house late night in the dark, and saw a quick glimpse of
something. Not sure what just did. Guardian Angels. But as 4 evil ones, i
dont know. I know the devil is real and can pollute peoples minds!" "Back in college in the late 60's I took a Great Religions class.
I remember studyin the Vedas, etc. as well as a lot of other religious
writings. Maybe I wasn't the brightest bulb in the string, but I remember
praising God that I was a Christian. The Old Testament (for Judaism) and
the New Testament for Christianity made so much more sense than the
others. Maybe it is because I was raised in the western tradition, but
seriously, those other writings just seemed to be more than
confusing." "first I need to figure out just who Bhagavad Gita is, and Hindu
Vedas. Probably written in sanskrit, and probably pantheism, which is
really easy to disprove. The god is everywhere, and in everything, and all
are one, that is just plain silly." [How to save someone from Hinduism] "Take her straight to one of
those counter-cult rescue organizations and have her
"deprogrammed"!!!" "I believe it can be more or less proved, or at least there is
better evidence for the truth of the Bible than the Gita. First off let me
state that the philosophy of the Gita makes more sense to me on a rational
level than that of the Bible, and yet I believe in the message of Jesus.
Just because something is rational or seems sensible or can be explained
convincingly, doesn't mean it is necessarily true! "The Gita is lovely and seemingly profound in its teachings, but
unlike the Bible it has no evidence to show it is anything other than the
fictional work of a man." "What about the fact that people that don't belive in His [God's]
existance are afraid to examine any evidence with an open mind?" "Luke 16:31 "Name one 'Holy book' or religion, including yours, that explains
the creation(or evoloution, your call) of all living things in the correct
scientific order other than the bible." "You've never studied Genisis and held it up to scientific facts,
have you?" "maybe you need to research this claim better before you mock too
much . I know 2 guys there who climbed it [Mt. Ararat] and have compelling
photos, some from the inside of the [Noah's Ark] structure." "Of course the Bible hasn't been 'proven historically true in
every detail', It has not been proven false in any detail either." "I was wondering why YOU were making such a fuss over it. As the
latter comment, Nothing has yet proven (scientifically/arcaeologically)
that the Bible is false." "I have never heard a non-selfish biblical reason that supported
birth control. Even if the Bible did not consistantly encourage children
as blessings from God I would just look at the world's stance on this
issue and run hard the other way!" "Also, world population threshold smeshhold, ever crossed this
country in a car and seen the teeming masses in iowa? this world can
support far more than we dream of. besides bc [birth control] is a new
concept in the course of history.... ever think of that?" "why doesn't anyone who thinks bc is ok use scripture? "I watched a video today on abortion and the woman that was
speaking mentioned that she was glad Christians don't have as many
abortions as non-Christians and that we reproduce more than
non-Christians, because we will have more people to share the Gospel with
the world... yet we prevent birth or the possibility of it by stopping
conception..." "That B[irth]C[ontrol] is a sin is the FACT that scripture in the
NT uses the word sin when referring to Christians who sin, the Greek word
when translated literally means "to miss the mark." "I know TONS of people who have children in spite of "the
pill" or other methods of birth control, or are products themselves
of such an "accident". God isn't bound by some little pill or
piece of rubber. Nothing is 100% effective, and God will give you a baby
if he wants to. Heck, he made a VIRGIN give birth; he can work in spite of
birth control" *** Post of the Week for October 27-November 2, 2002 *** "The pro-bc [birth control] seem to be working under the
assumption that everytime someone has sex without any bc, they're going to
get pregnant. If God wants you to do it just for enjoyment, she wouldn't
get pregnant that time." "That argument is so worn out! EVERY reason for using BC is
self-centered, or is brought on by the world's warped view of the value of
life (especially family life) in fact: EVERY reason you will give to use
BC are the same reasons that women give to abort their unborn baby- BC has
been around for like 80 years and all of the sudden every one thinks its
God's gift to the family, when really it's a hard core lie fully bought
OBVIOUSLY by MOST of the Church... Majority Rules right? I don't think
so... last time I checked the majority was screaming crucify HIM!!!
"post-modernity" has creaped in to the minds of Christians and
we think of every reason possible NOT to have children... if Gods Word
only speaks of children as a blessing then why even try to prevent
them?" "First you assume that you can use BC "responsibly".
There is no need to use birth control. It has been stated many times in
this discussion that it is in scripture that God opens and closes the womb
(therefore why do we need to do it)." "I pretty much think b[irth]c[ontrol]'s okay, as long as you can
somehow use it and still keep these commands... "if you're a true Christian, then you would never have wanted to
dought GOD in the first place. If you have any thoughts that GOD isn't
real, then that's satan putting those thoughts into your head. If you
follow these thoughts, and come to the conclusion that GOD doesn't exist,
then yu would be saying that when you got saved, that GOD didn't exist,
and therefore, you never got saved in the first place." "Have you ever heard of an ipostate? That's the term for a
"christian" that is worse than a backslider that has completely
strayed from the LORD. That's what you and the rest of these "once
saved" people on here are." "ok i was pro holloween just few weeks a go but i realized how
horrible it is. "it's all fun and game untill someone gets hurt? "well they do weird things on halloween, somebody once shaved half
my cat on halloween night. Im not sure whether it was a bizzarre cult or
confusing prank, but oh well weird things happen that night." "For some christians, depending on how well the take the bible,
and understand/obey it, the more perfect it fits in with its logic making
it truth (to them) [On a topic discussing whether nudity is immoral] "no nudity is
not immoral. It is quite normal and dignifying for a man to show his penis
outside while strolling to buy milk. Or a woman to show off her boobs
while working, it would make every fellow employee especially the males
one to feel excited to go to work. That can either be the worse question
ever asked or your probably desensitized from watching porn." [Arguing against antidepressants] "The best ways to rid yourself
of depression are to keep yourself distracted, or figure out exactly what
it is that's depressing you and why it is that it's depressing you." "I thought for the longest time that I had a chemical imbalance
(or other physical problem associated with depression or emotional
instability). I even took two different kinds of anti-depressants.
However, in the end, I found that relying on God and trusting His promises
given to us through the Bible was the only thing that cured me of my
problem. The pills seemed to work a little, but they had side effects and
made me feel in some ways "fake" (as if my contentedness was
because I was "drugged," which I was). The pills seemed to treat
the symptoms, while trusting in God cured me of the problem (the source of
the symptoms). "The only thing else I want to say about this is even if this
finding turns out to be a hoax, which I believe it is not, there is no
denying the fact that Jesus Christ was a REAL person. You don't have to
believe that He was the son of God, but you should believe that he existed
as a person. If He didnt exist why would we base our calendars off His
birth and His death?" "I think public school is used to cram a liberal mindset into our
children's heads." "as for sex NO, I repeat, No 13 year old should be having sex
under any circumstances. No, I repeat, No condoms should be given out at
ANY schools elementry through High School. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS JOB
to teach my kids anything about sex, provide condoms or anything of the
sort. I will never allow the state to come close to teaching my children
about sex. I remember when I was in Sex ed, they had a whole chapter on
the joys of different sex positions...that is not a joke....I was in 7th
grade, That is outrageous!!!!! Do NOT give my children condoms or any of
their friends condoms, because it's like saying "hey, your not old
enough to have a car, but here's the key's to the car with the door open
and no ones looking, c'mon kid get inside, no one will know" I don't
think so!!!!!! not my kids!!!!" "The part of the Bible we are talking about here was written about
3500 years ago, by a man named Moses. He was a Hebrew, but was raised as
the grandson of the Pharaoh in Egypt. The result was, he received the best
education of his day, and also had access to the library at Alexandria,
that had a copy of every know book to be in existence at the time." "[Noah's Flood seems absurd] Only because you blind yourself to
any evidence that proves you wrong." "Nope, they [young-earth creationists] are just honest with the
evidence and can admit what is fact and what is faith. They are secure
enough in their belifes not to be threatened by admitting the truth. They
may have it wrong, but I can at least admire their honesty and
integrity." "You mistake me as saying I believe in c14 dating and not the other dating methods. I am simply saying that c14, which has been studied nearly 100 years longer than any other method, indicates that the world cannot be more than 50-60,000 years old or it'd be gone." "In rocks of KNOWN age, they [radiometric dating measurements
intentionally misapplied by creationists to discredit the methods] fail
all the time. Again, the excuse is because of a rock 1000 years old, you
can't use a test that measures in millions/billions of years old. My
contention then is, since the planet is only 7000 years old, those
measurements cannot accurately be used on anything." "It is illogical to have linear logic. However it may have truth
in it, you will never find the complete answer. "is that why people see visions of hell. or possesions. or that
scientists have discovered a place in the center of the earth that is a
perfect condition for hell(which is where many christians believe it to
be). read the book by mary k. baxter "a divine revelation of
hell"---ull see what im talking about.. in the 1970s for 40 nights
she was given a guided tour of hell and was told to write a book about
it.(dont argue back before you read it)---also talk to someone who has
seen visions of it." [To a Catholic] "So how do you know that Jesus' established church
can teach no error?" "These fags make me sick to my stomach. Being a Christian I am
very religiously offended over their statements. But oh well...their the
one's going to hell. They'll certainly be flamers then! *rimshot*" "There are over 40 prophecies in the bible that predicted the
messiah comming to suffer and die on a cross. That were fulfilled by
Jesus. These are Gods proof that he is God. Show me fulfilled prophecy in
any other religion." "voltaire is an idiot "They turn the child in the womb, pierce its skull with a tube,
suck out its brains so that the child will slip through the birth canal
easier. And sell the remains to the highest bidder. cosmetics companies,
for colegen." "Deception is satan's goal and I'm sure he just loves keeping
people confused as to what the truth is. Why do we see so many attacks on
God's word today? Because satan hates the truth and us and will do
anything to deceive us, including sending one of the fallen angens
(demons) to appear to someone as a beautiful angel from heaven to start a
false religion." "these same beings [demons] are now [posing as extraterrestrials
and] killing cattle in their lust for blood. "I find it funny how so many dislike Chick tracts and usually the
reason why is is exposure of the false religions. Chick speaks the truth
in love. Remember the Pharisees killed Jesus because he exposed their
hypocrisy. God bless." "I agree with the KJV onlyism. Has anyone actually done any study
on this subject. I used to read the NIV. BUt I had a problem with all the
times Christ name was ommitted. so I did some honest study and came to my
conclusion For example in Phil 4:13 it says I can do all things through
him who Stregthens me(NIV) . Who is HIm Mohhamed Buddha COnfuscious NO it
is Christ so why the ommission" "For the example of seasons: The earth's tilt causes the seasons
because the sun is closer to one hemisphere than it is to another. There
is the naturalistic explanation. But, What caused heat variation to exist
instead of heat equilibrium so that the sun is more hot than the
earth?" "But if you want to hear un-biased news reporting try
drudgereport.com (reports all stories) and foxnews.com, yes o'reily and
Hannity are biased, but their regular news is 100% fair. CNN has liberal
and repub commentary also and you wouldn't get news from that, but CNN's
regular "Homosexuality is caused by an unclean spirit, it's that simple.
This is why gay people say that they didn't choose to be gay, and this is
why they think they were born that way but they weren't. A homosexual
spirit can attach itself to a kid as young as 1 or 2 years old and all
their life from childhood they will exhibit homosexual tendencies or
traits before they even know what it is. "It's obvious they [homosexuals] at least want straights to
'accept' them because they have such low self esteem about the sinful life
they are living." "'Gay' recruitment is like "grooming," but it doesn't
only occur on a one_to_one basis. The most insidious "gay"
recruitment is being conducted by "gay" propagandists as a
nationwide marketing and public relations campaign." "How much easier will it be for an adult predator to seduce these
children in later years after they have been conditioned, virtually from
infancy, to accept homosexuality? " [On efforts at tolerance of gay people] "According to the bible
homosexuality is an abomination. And as such Christians should oppose any
pro gay propaganda or promotion. "You have your history all wrong. Homosexuals were never treated
by the nazis like the Jew. Homosexuals have attempted to get sympathy from
us by this myth but it's a lie. Leaders of the Nazis were themselves gay
and pederasts. Homosexuals were guilty of tormenting Jews in camps.
Homosexuals were never taken from their homes as Jews were except for
crimes against the state. Get your history right." "Do people really know what Fascism is? Hitler supported
Euthanasia Abortion and Socialism. And they call Fascism the extreeme
right? Facism killed the elderly (euthanasia) and killed the retarded and
weak. Many Liberals today support Euthanasia which is a less exteeme of
what Hitler did." [On executing the Maryland Snipers] "i dont agree at all. i hope
that those snipers scare the living daylights out of those people. they
deserve it. america is not living by god anymore, they are nothing but
lying, cheating, robbers. i live in virginia about an hour away from those
shootings. and it doesnt scare me one bit. the american court just took
away every single possession my dad ever had away from him for no reason
whatsoever. iv ran away from home multiple times because of the american
court.there is something seriously wrong with america, its not living by
gods rules, and therefore its falling apart." "Just a little curious why this is important to you.. "Skeptics seem to be able to get away with refuting theories, and
never really having to prove anything. "i might also add that in the old day, God let us humans have our
own ways of making religion.. except the jews of course he talked to them
thru their priests and prophets." "i think that the fact that one CANNOT disprove Gods existence
proves He exists." "how could I exist if God does not exist?" "'The Catholic church can teach no error'--A dangerous premise "Are you a Nazi? Do you think eugenics is morally sound? As I have
said previously, this is yet another of the horrible consequences of the
logical progression of Darwinism. Can their be anything more disgusting?
Likely not." "Most, if not all of, the greatest tyrants who ever lived and
commited the greatest atrocities that were ever conceived of were highly
intelligent, well educated etc.... so it's safe to say that the people who
are the deadliest are the best educated people. They sorely need Jesus'
teachings of love, acceptance and humility." [On lists of impossibilities with Noah's ark] "What nonbelievers
fail to realize, or at least accept, is the God-factor. Who shut the door
of the ark? Who sealed it? God. So we see very clearly that the ark had
God's divine hand on it which eliminates any such problem." "We are actually forgetting that with Noah's Flood we don't know
how turbulent the waters were. Could of been calm waters, some large
waves, and or lots of large waves. God who claimed Noah Righteous would of
protected the Ark. But by humanist definition miracles don't happen. Also
considering the way the Ark was designed could of handled some rough
seas." [Replying to 'is there reasonable evidence for us to believe in God?']
"Well here is one. As you know, animals produce after their kind.
Evolution said that they produced other kinds. But we have never seen
that. We see what God said in Genesis that animals bring forth after their
kind. There is sorts of birds and they probably came from a commen
ancestor, yeah and it was a BIRD." "Witnessing to Mormons is extremely difficult. I've had many
opportunities online (on another message board), as well as a few
opportunities face-to-face, and in all cases I've found Mormons to be
extremely nice people who are wearing spiritual blinders. The cult of
Mormonism is so ingrained in their thinking that the mere mention that
they worship a different Jesus, different God, and that their religion is,
at best, very loosely based on the Bible, just brings blank stares (in
person), or quick changes of the subject (online). Mormon apologists also
tend to be militant and sometimes downright sneaky in the way they present
their beliefs -- everything is wrapped in scripture, but beneath the
scripture is nothing but the Book of Mormon and the words of Mormon
"prophets"." [On being told that the Golden Plates of Mormonism had more witnesses
than the Resurrection of Jesus] "Suppose that [Joseph] Smith and the
others did have a vision. Isn't Satan capable of deception? Though there
were those testified to the vision and/or seeing the plates . . . if their
witness disagrees with the Bible - I can not accept thier testimony as
valid regardless of their sincerity." [On Mormonism] "i saw this movie last night and realized the
connection and parallel it makes here. the whole gist of the movie is a
computer generated actress that everyone has seen, talked to, heard of,
but she didn't exist. "For example, Mormonism teaches things such as baptism of the
dead, that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, that man can one day
achieve godhood, that God has a body of flesh and bones, and that there is
no salvation outside of the Mormon church. These are not only serious
doctrinal aberrations, but they are so far out of line with what the Bible
says, that Mormonism becomes not a Christian denomination, but a
cult." "Regarding the human imperfection, I can see how that would make
sense, since it was written by a human, however the only other
God-inspired document in the history of the world is proved to be 99.99%
accurate, or so I have read through research and obviously believe by
faith. I am obviously speaking of the Bible." [On the credibility of Mormon miracle eyewitnesses] two men could say
they went fishing and caught a 20 pound fish and that they ate it. When in
fact, they may not have caught a fish at all. Just because these two men
give testimony to these events does not make it truth. I know what we are
talking about is of more significance than fishing, but the principle and
philosophy still apply." "'wishful' or 'magic thinking', which is basically about "I
want it to be true and so it is". This is frequently encountered in
scientists who want to prove their hypotheses; their minds interpret data
in a certain way because it supports their ideas." "can we "prove it"? no. "Think about it. No one alive has seen George Washington, how do
we know he was real and not a myth created by our ancestors? In addition
we have the testimonies of the changed lives over the centuries. How many
today say their life was changed by George washington?" "What, exactly, are Wiccans and how do people get mixed up in this
stuff? How can we witness to people who are mixed up in the occult?" [When Jerry Falwell remarked that Mohammed was a terrorist, resulting
in a riot] "i watched rev. falwell on 60 minutes, and had the
opportunity to meet him and him he speak last week. after meeting him in
person, seeing his heart, and listening to the interview, i can't help but
agree with what he said. muhammad was a man of war and was willing to use
violence to move his religion around the world. "Muhammed was a false prophet. Islam is a false religion. "I agree with Falwell 1000% [Replying to 'how do we find the One True Religion?'] "Use the
rule of thumb God has given us. If it doesn't line up with scripture [Holy
Bible] in context, throw it out. Man made tradition is what keeps getting
people in trouble." "Everyone agrees there is water on Earth, right? "It really bothers me when all I ever see on nightly television
and the movies is the liberal political agenda. Just like that t.v. show
the West Wing. It's like they are trying to glorify and rearrange Bill
Clinton's presidency in order to make him seem like a really good
person." "My opinion (nothing against you) is that [Joseph] Smith was a
delusional liar. Kinda of like an old school David Koresh or Pol
Pot." "the thing about Jesus is that he declared himself to be the only
way... he is either self centered or God in the flesh. you can guess what
i think about Him. krishna and allah lead to Hell. follow them if you want
to." [On Hitler] "if he truly did repent and trust Jesus with his life,
then yes he would go to heaven. Does not the Scripture say (which I
emphasized for everyone who reads this) WHOEVER belives is saved. Are you
saying that the sacrifice Jesus made wasn't big enough for Hitler? That
what he did was too heinous for God to forgive? Not whoever believes
and..... just whoever believes. That is all that matters! And that is all
there is to it, it's not really that complicated, but it is so hard for
some to accept. No matter what you have done in your life: Killed 6
million Jews in the Holocaust or told a little white lie at school, either
way you need Jesus, and either way, the blood of Jesus Christ can cover
you! Praise God!!" "People do not believe in evolution because they have been led
there by solid evidence. They are hoodwinked into the Darwinian community
by superficial, emotional, and personal factors. They only delude
themselves when they think otherwise." "I only say fuck science cause it's your ticket to hell. You'll
hate science as much as I do if you go. "At the point were the baby will 100% die [and kill your wife], in
which I don't agree a doctor should say,ever, there would not be much
choice would there? But do you let God have control of the situation or do
you take human life in your own hands [and perform an abortion]? I guess
at that point a person would have to ask themself if they believe in God.
Then have faith that God will perform a miracle." "If I were to serve you dinner, and you asked for table salt, or
sodium chloride, and I gave you sodium and chlorine, I could go to jail
(if you inhaled too much chlorine). There is a substantive difference
between the parts and the whole - most people recognize that. Once a sperm
has fertilized an egg - everything is there, it is whole, just
immature." *** Honorable Mention (from a website, not a forum) *** "God told the Israelites when they moved into the land to wipe out
everybody, to spare no one, not even their cattle. Why did he do that? I
don't know. That's God's call. In that case, genocide was obviously the
right thing to do, because God commanded it." "there is no "i was a christian". there is no such
thing. you either are or you arnt. let me explain something...and its
called SURETY. there is one thing that i have, that you dont...and its
called SURETY. i have TOTAL SURETY. let me repeat. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY
MIND WHATSOEVER THAT JESUS CHRIST IS REAL. you CANNOT change my mind.
absolute SURETY. that, my friend, is called faith. Do you have that? if
you had that, then you wouldnt be on this website, asking people
questions." "I have a real problem with those who conclude that evolution is
an established fact of science. Organic evolution is not a
"Fact" of science. It is not now, and has never been an
established fact of true science. Moreover, the close-minded arrogance and
lack of objectivity exhibited by many evolutionists who are supposedly
seeking the truth with regard to the origin of man is counter-productive
to the cause of true science. It's pseudo-intellectualism." "'taxonomic classification by genetic comparison' is
a manmade thing. Its not that I don't understand it, its that I don't CARE
to understand it. Its something MAN uses, not something God uses. I'm not
interested in fitting man made ideas into God's workings when they are not
related. You can try to use "taxonomic classification by genetic
comparison", I'll stick with kinds." *** Post of the Month for October 2002 *** "If you took the time to listen to what the man [Kent
Hovind] has to say, you would find a wealth of information. "To take away and believe that God is male and female
is not good. God wants to be known as a masculine all powerful being, not
a soft and omnigender being.Duane, your statement borders on serious
misinterpretation and lowering of Gods image." "Ok, seriously, this is really sucky logic. First of
all, there are more women who are Christians than men, and not just here,
but all over the world. Secondly, the Bible doesn't treat women like
trash, it places them where they belong, in submission to their husband,
and before everyone jumps on me, take note that the women who were not
married were only to submit to Christ and the authority of the land they
lived in. JUST LIKE MEN. "When somone studies the Bible, they are seeking
truth. "I believe atheists--like other deviants--should be
allowed to exist, so long as they don't infringe on my rights." "The atheist religion is a cult of denial. The same
could be said about atheism -- do it on your own time. They have tried to
impose their atheist religion on the government and society." "Stop being a smart a** and get some wisdom. "Science has shown that were made out of dust just
like the bible and they have also done experiments in trying to prove
evolution but they failed. Also many tests year after year the age of
earth would change. 4 billion, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, etc. years. Rescently
they have discovered that the universe is made of subtomic
particals." "IT'S SCIENCE MAN!!! It's their love for science.
They'd actually rather science have created the universe than God. Science
is their life and they love science as much as we love God... so naturally
science is what they stand for. Obviously I'm speaking about scientists. I
say f*** scinece." "Our lack of knowledge is one of the biggest reasons
I believe in God" "God must hold some value to women as he chose one to
bear His Son." "When it comes to issues concerning women and the
church, we have to obey the standards and precepts God sets before us,
whether it fits with the worldly opinion or not. Currently the world
believes that men and women are "the same," and should not have
separate roles or positions. They believe in fantasy things like 50/50
marriages, egaliterianism (spelled correctly?), and so forth. "Islam can be dismissed (imo) because its adherents
are not allowed to question it in any way shape or form. Truth stands up
to scrutiny." "Here is a link to what scientist think is noah's
ark. "Technically, evolution is not a theory. There are a
couple religions that can come from evolution though. "evolutionists use FOSSILS (archaeology, not biology)
to prove evolution." "haven't you heard the latest scientific theory? A
lot of the scientists are now thinking that the big bang theory was just a
theory. And that the universe just always existed. They are beginning to
rethink it because there are too many "holes" (black holes and
the red shift) that can't be answered with the big bang theory. Have to
keep up with this stuff you know. Sooner or later, they will discover the
truth. And their worst fear is that the Bible is right." "If there is no God, we don't have to follow His
rules on sex, selfishness, pride, ambition, greed, servanthood. We can put
ourselves and our desires first. We can go into the world and sneak, lie,
cheat and do whatever it takes to get ahead. And have nothing and noone to
answer for or too." "Well, I'd bet his [Darwin's] concept of Hell is much
much clearer NOW." "Without God, I don't know who's morals to follow.
Mine, yours, President Bush's, President Clinton's, Hussein's, Bin
Ladden's, the homosexual community's, the kkk's, the drug addict's and
pimp's, the leaders of the Inquistion, who's morals are the right
ones?" "Nuclear weapons, like all weapons, are morally
neutral. The person employing them chooses to do either good or evil with
them. "While I may offend you by saying this, I feel that
your statement giving equal value to the lives of American and Japanese
soldiers typical of the current left wing ideology coming out of today's
crop of college students." "Nowhere did I state that EVERY Japanese person was
barbaric and cruel. I said this about their culture as a generalization
because they do not engage in warfare by any known standard of decency. If
you were to study the FACTS about Japanese history, you would know that
until the terms of their surrender stripped them of any and all military
power, they had a history of absolute barbarism from the inception of
their history. They slaughtered each other in feudal wars, butchered and
enslaved the people of Okinawa, attacked Russia , and committed
unspeakable atrocities in China, the Solomons, and The Phillipines to name
only a few." "Just because women have learned to read and write
and become well familiar with the law doesn't give them the authority to
teach. God said it was a shame for women to speak in church. Are you
saying just because women have become equal with men then God has changed
His mind? God doesn't change His mind. He is the same always. Furthermore
there is no verse in the Bible that gives women authority to teach even
when circumstances change. "Theists have been some of the smartest and freeest
thinking people of all time. (i.e. John Calvin, Martin Luther)" "Since Christians will judge the world, just do me
one favor brighid, don't repent." "I don't think you're going to have that bold of an
attitude while you're standing in a puddle of your own urine [at the final
judgement]." "One of the main reasons why the churches are filled
with WAY more women than men is because nonchristian men view Christian
men as feminized sissies who don't have the balls to ever make an
unpopular stand. It's exactly what kept me from becoming a Christian for
so many decades. I felt if I became a Christian, I would have to learn how
to become a wimp. Most Christians worship "being liked" more
than they worship Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, it appears that you are
among their pathetic numbers. [When asked if he was a member of the Promise keepers, a
Christian organization promoting love and tolerance] "Those touchy,
feely wimps ? Are you nuts?" "How am I a hypocrite? I say that I believe it is
right to judge and then, sure enough, I judge! I practice what I preach. [On abortion being legal] "So was the gassing of Jews
in Nazi Germany. "Real women don't selfishly abort their
babies." "Are you a racist? The Nazi's loved Darwin. The full
title of his book (which your "education" has censored from you
and therefore brainwashed you) is, 'The origin of species by means of
natural selection; or, The preservation of favored races in the struggle
for life'" "I'm one of those fundies you all can't stand. I'm a
Reconstructionist who protests abortion, spams the internet with gospel
tracts, puts anti-homosexual bumper stickers on cars in the parking lots
of gay bars (oh man, that's fun), etc., etc." "Do you actually think the FBI is going to stop
looking for Muslim terrorists intending to set off suitcase nukes in order
to stop me from sticking pro-morality bumper-stickers on cars belonging to
faggots? [On the age of the universe] "Sorry, starlight [from
billions of light years away, revealing that amount of time has passed] is
the biggest copout ever. When do you see the starlight? Today. End of
story." "I have replied all I need to to any post on
radiometric dating. It is at best a fantasy at most a lie. "The lack of contradictions in the word of God is a
confirmation of inspiration." "They [nonbelievers] have decided in their minds that
they are the wise ones so I would ask them to prove [the Bible] its NOT
inspired." "As for heaven and hell, can you prove there is
heaven and hell? I can ... through Quantum Physics. Can you prove in any
other way other than through religion?" "Christianity is a religion built on the idea that
God is a Loving God while Islam is built on the idea that God is
dangerous and should be feared." "I would persoanlly go crazy and have sex with every
girl I could, i would steal, I would Cheat, and I would generally not care
about you and would do all I could to gain power over you and those around
me. Without God I wouldn't care...I'm not joking..the second I was
convinced there was no God, I would release all hell. "You do not foolw God, so you follow Satan, no matter
waht you say, until you choose Jesus, youare a follower of Satan until you
change." "The pagan religions that you mention here worship
non existant gods. That means, they might as well be worshipping air. "all the people who have schizophrenia need for a
friend is God-they don't have to make someone up in the back of their
head-i'm not too familar with schizophrenia, but a friend of mine has
it-she said she wished for a friend, and then she "heard a voice of a
woman" in the back of her head-they wish for a true friend so badly
that their mind (or, rather their heart) plays tricks on them to thinking
they have someone in the back of their head, because the desire was so
strong-they need God, a REAL and TRUE Friend" "The anti Christ will be part jew and will come from
europe" "i'm sure you'll have a blast rotting in hell,
leeches crawling under your skin, fire dancing in your eyes, eating away
at your body for eternity-yeah, you're right-why put your trust in someOne
you can spend eternity with in paradise? *rolls eyes*" "being disgusting? [Replying to 'What's to distinguish Jesus Christ from,
say, Buddha?'] "The fact that Jesus is real and Buddha is not." "Paul said in romans 1 that faith is so reasonable
that people are WITHOUT EXCUSE. next subject" "As a believer, I had always thanked God for putting
these things here for our enjoyment, but you say there in NO God. Well ok
then, if that's the case, do me one small favor. "BEAUTIFUL or NOT, if God didn't create the universe
(sun, moon, stars, planets, etc.), WHO DID?" "If your a Christian you can't possibly celebrate
Halloween..... Think about it, and if you try to back up being able to
celebrate Halloween, your just a sorceror for thats all that day
is.." [In a debate] "Just as I expected. More smoke and
mirrors because that's all you athiests can do when someone has you up a
tree with no way down and your bare butt showing. "Your son in law, being a Jew and knowing no better,
probably doesn't have the holy spirit. The test for this is asking him
wether he can speak in tongues." "whereas nobody has ever seen any sort of proof of
the tooth fairy, God has and does reveal Himself to us. i personally have
experienced many many many things that are beyond the explaination of
science or other religions; God is real and i knowit because i have seen
His work. "If you want evidence of the authenticity of the
Christian faith, just look at the Bible. NO other religion on the planet,
now or at any other time in history, has a religious book anywhere near
approaching the accuracy of the Bible." [Replying to 'are Catholics Bible-believing Christians?']
"Well, technically they do read the Bible and believe it's the Word
of God, far as I know, so I guess I'd say yeah. I'm one of those fringe
people who believes that you can be a Catholic and yet still be a
Christian. Although given the state of the Church, I'd say it is
tough." "You want proof, here it is. Jesus Christ is not
mythology." [On the good 'ole days of Old Testament times] "If
you asked me, it was better back then. There was a lot more accountability
and reason to beleive in God. Back then you could be killed for not
beleiveing in God. "Sorry, but evolution is not even a good hypothesis,
let alone a "theory", and is certainly not a 'fact', as much as
evolutionists want it to be. It is merely a system developed to explain a
minutely complex universe that is devoid of anything supernatural. Yet
people who believe in evolution flock to see a man on TV that claims to
talk to the dead." [On a TV interview] "He said, "Darwin's theory
was lept upon by most of the leading scientists of the day because the
alternative [God] interfered too much with their 'sexual mores' ".
WOW! What an admission!" "Well one thing is for sure. There are no dead
atheists." "My friend I find you to be truly without reason.
Just because the half of the world does not believe something
[Christianity] does not make it false. This world, run by satan, does not
want to hear the truth. Yet the truth is so very simple. Christianity is
the truth, that is why so many to not believe." "In our comings and goings, we all run across people
who are dead-set on believing that we Christians are involved in a
psychological delusion, that the Bible is full of contradictions and
fallacies, and that Jesus was nothing more than a mythological character. [On Halloween] "There's no two ways aroung it, it's a
demonic observation marking a demonic pagan day." "The big problem I have with Halloween isn't its
roots (which can be traced all the way back to the Druid Festival of the
Dead, circa 100 AD). The problem I have is that it makes light of things
evil. Many people don't stop to think, or even realize (or want to
realize) that there are such things as evil spirits and demonic forces.
Halloween, in my opinion, is one of these events that, over a period of
time, desensitizes people (especially children!) and makes them think that
the devil is really just a little kid in a red suit, not an actual being.
To a Christian, Halloween is a stupid display. To others, it can end up
being spiritual desensitization. Exactly what Satan wants, eh??" "It really doesn't matter where halloween comes from
whether celtic or pagan or wiccan origin. What matters is that we must not
celebrate it because of its dark past as well as its dark present. I know
that some Christians think it's harmless because all you do is dress up in
creative costumes, go trick or treating etc... but remember the satanists
claim this is their "holy" day." "why would a christian be afraid of dieing? I can;t
wait till I die!" "If you are a serious Christian the predominant thing
in your life is following Jesu Christ and his teachings. Your marriage and
dates should serve primarily to uplift you and encourage you in your
growth in God. You cannot be restricted by a non-Christian mate. All they
will do is serve to hold you back from doing God's will and the having the
best in your life. It's impossible for a non-Christina and a Christian to
be meant for eachother." "All people who are subject to death are in Adam. All
infants are subject to death; therefore, all infants are in Adam. All who
die are in Adam. All who are in Adam are sinners; therefore, all who die
are sinners. All who are subject to death are sinners. All infants are
subject to death; therefore, all infants are sinners." "A baby *fussing* and getting angry becuase he is
hungry, is sin!" [Replying to 'how does a baby lie?'] "A baby may not
be able to speak the English (or any other) language, but he can
communicate falsely. Is the Bible [Psalm 58:3] incorrect when it says the
wicked go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies?" "Well Helen, I guess you can come to the conclusion
that Yes, sad but true,they [infants] can [sin]........as soon as they are
born,you hear anger in their cries.....and some are angry their whole
life!!!!!." "God's ways do not have to be justified to our
fleshly minds. Looking upon the outward appearance infants certainly seem
to be innocent--to us. But God looks upon the heart. It is the heart of
sin that dooms us." "In the same way, we don't know what babies can do
that is sin, but they must do some sin, otherwise they wouldn't be able to
die." "If you could see into their [infant] hearts they
would be just as corrupt as adult hearts." [On the types of sins done by infants] "For example:
the baby has been fed, burped, clean diaper, loved, etc. Now you lay the
baby to bed knowing full well that all needs have been met and the baby
cries. At the time the baby cries it is leading you to believe that there
is something wrong and if you pick up the baby and it stops crying then
the baby through its' cry has lied and will continue this tactic as long
as it works. The baby's only possible motive is SELF GRATIFICATION." "Some *crying* is sinful. It all depends upon what
the infant is crying about. It is much like my anger. Sometimes the things
I get angry over are sinful. Helen had previously brought up the point
that anger "without cause" is the only time anger is sin. I
might disect this a little further, anger that does not have Gods
intention and desires foundating it, is sin." "You have never met a baby that cries? *** Post of the Week for October 20-26, 2002 *** "Obviously Christ believed that unwarranted anger
[infants crying] is on the same level as murder, worthy of *THE*
judgement......Sorry, but this anger, *without cause* equates to no less
than sin. No other way around it." "If one wants to hear a baby cry "sinfully"
try skipping the mythical 2:AM feeding. It is well established, medically,
that this feeding is unnecesary. Give the baby who, insists, a bottle of
water and it will soon stop waking and crying at that hour." "It seems to me that at the root of the disagreement
[about infant sin], and correct me if I am wrong, please. It seems the
bottom line is that you have a child who is incapable of exercising any
faith in Christ. And because of that, you cannot imagine the thought of
that child being sent to Hell for a sin nature. So, it seems that you have
come up with a way to make yourself feel better about you child's ultimate
destiny." "The Bible does not treat woman poorly in any
regards. If anything it supports them. It was a main tool during the
women's right movements." "Ur just postin non sence all over the board today
rnt you? The only think out there is God. Do you want the big band
theory?? God said and BANG! it happened" "Its ok do have w/e relgious view but when u post
crap about zeus u deserve to be slapped" [On Dan Barker, a minister who deconverted] "keep
watching this guy closely over the many coming years.....and especially
watch his family....(Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a
man sows that he will reap)." "You said that...."according to scientific
theory, there is no 'before zero point time"....well, you are
right....it is ONLY a scientific "theory." And the definition of
a theory is (according to webster) ...."an abstract thought,
hypothesis." "Christian's are required to follow such rules as:
Loving God (which is necessary to follow the rest of God's rules); loving
their neighbors (all of them) and giving to anyone who asks (I'd love to
see how many "righteous" atheists would give any of their
possesions to anyone who asks (with obvious exceptions such as giving guns
to criminals or children etc.))." [On Islam] "remember that Christians do not and would
not kill an apostate, smash a little one against a rock, assasinate
someone who did not believe in or spoke ill of Christ, would not approve
of the gang rape of virgin women prisoners sentenced to death so they
could not enter into heaven, would not smite the neck (cut the throat) of
people who would not follow Jesus, would not kill someone and then take
his property, would not hijack (steal) from caravans to support a cause,
etc.." "So could the devil plant the fossil evidence that
man has found to cause doubts in the minds of man. So that man would think
that one part of the Bible is not true and if one part is not true then
maybe all of it is not true. "It don't hurt anything to believe in Jesus Christ
and it ends up being a lie." "Evolution is a THEORY. And that's a scientific fact. "The Bible, when actually studied and not shredded by
skeptical analysis, reveals a great deal about God's nature." "I am not a Christian out of fear, in the sense that
you are projecting it. However, I do "fear" God, meaning that I
believe He is real and so respect His authority that I wouldn't dare think
otherwise." "....allah and koran are based on lie....you can not
believe both Bible and koran....koran has many errors...and contracts
itself...." ""I believe that another great way to aid your
prayers is through fasting. The pain in your stomach will remind you to
pray for the salvation of your loved ones still in the
R[oman]C[atholic]C[hurch]." [On Catholics] "THE ROSARY is a tool against Satan.
Holding onto plastic beads while praying to a cross-dressing demon posing
as Jesus' mother. Um-humm.......very interesting." ". . . isn't it amazing the effects of
O[ne]T[rue]C[hurch] sheepdip on critical thought?" "It has never been more clear to me: NATE [another
poster], and others in his "pickle" [the Catholic Church] need
to be "de-programmed." [To Catholics] "Some of you guys need to just block
out some of the garbage doctrine you get dipped in and get yourself into
the Bible." "How are you critical of christian faith in Jesus.
Atheists believe hydrogen gas becomes people over time. There is far more
evidebce for Jesus in the bible than what an atheist is forced to
believe." "The bottom line is that there is much more evidence
for God's existence than his non-existence. The percentage of the total
world population that is either non-religious or anti-religious is only
about 14 percent." "if you want to make a point just say so there is not
need to muck it up with all those words." "You haven't seen the discovery channel in the last
year have you? [After a long list of Qur'an contradictions was met with
extremely similar Bible contradictions] "take this discussion to
another thread please...this topic was started on the errors in the Koran
regarding historical and prophetic events. It has nothing to do with your
vitriolic denials of the Bible, (all evidence to the contrary)" "Christianity is firmly rooted in history and
therefore is not open to change or rethinking." "let me break it down "Hey Magna [another poster], since you're not a
Christian and you say you believe in God... then why do you love him? He
might hate??? He might think you're a sissy!" "So your Bible must be a lot smaller than rest of us
I guess - since you've disregarded the parts you don't like or agree
with?" "Jinny, being a Christian myself, I don't think what
you represent = Christianity. I am upset that you would say what you say
[that hell, a place of eternal torture for nonbelievers, doesn't exist]
and then call yourself a Christian. Shame on you." [On infants going to hell] "Those who have never
heard die in their sin. That is sad. Hence, we should preach the Gospel to
all men. "We are worthless, undeserving of anything but
Gehenna itself. "Yes there was a monk centuries ago, that proposed
something like, "Nuke them ALL and let God sort them out!"---but
that's hardly a godly attitude, is it?" "Most children are fairly innocent up to about 12
years of age, but they corrupt pretty fast after that, in this country. In
some third world nations, the corruption process works a bit slower than
here in America." "Bible Prophecy is 100% correct. No other book or
person can say that. That is because it is God's Word. And yes, people
lived over 900 years before the flood. After the flood, man's life span
decreased considerably." [On the reliability of spectrographic analysis indicating
the sun is composed of hydrogen/helium] "Well guess what. When NASA
tells me they went to the Sun, I'll still deny them. I highly doubt they
have the capability." "If you believe in the resurrection of Jesus then of
course it will foster belief in God's miracles of all sorts. "Ask any historian and if they are honest they will
say 100 years is not even close to enough time for myths to develop." [On the possibility of worse crimes than homosexuality and
adultery] "Not really, under the law they are both sins that are
worthy of death." "But while immoral sex may bring temporary pleasure,
it’s bad fruitage is testimony to it's wrongness" "The difference between Light and Dark is not a
judgmental thing — its empirical. God's Angels are creatures of Light,
and the Demons of Hell are dark and they smell really bad. They rebelled
against God because they were overwhelmed by the selfish impulses and they
had the courage of their convictions." "get teachers of intelligent design in the schools!!! "What is the most obvious evidence for
I[ntelligent]D[esign]? I would tend to go with Biblical accuracy, and the
life of Jesus Christ as a couple major ones." "Regardless of "evidence" or "proof" I will
never change my faith. It isn't out of being stubborn, and it certainly
isn't because I"m afraid to change. But I will never know my
"religion" is wrong, because no matter what evidence is given, I
don't just believe in God, i KNOW God. It isn't an inward conviction, its
an outward relationship. Nothing can ever tell me that I and the millions
of others are having a relationship with someone who does not exist. I
don't just have faith in God anymore, He is an insurmoudable fact." "We, too, have come to know that He is the Christ, the Son of the
living God. And there is this about Jesus: no one, believing on Him, can
be snatched away. It is an imposibility ( see John 10:29 )." "The bible itself is the signature of God...the book, though
written by human hand, is inspired by God himself. The Holy Bible itself
CLAIMS to be the word of God....Timothy 3:16 says 'All scriptures are
inspired by God.'" "Why do think they believed the earth was flat? Certainly some
cultures did believe this but there is nothing in the Bible to make us
believe that this was the case with the Hebrews. "no matter what I will not leave Christianity. It sounds like a
loaded qestion, but the assumption is true. No worldly evidence will ever
convince me of something I have been fully convicted of from Someone
outside the world itself. If I found proof that God didn't exist, I would
merely wait for there to be a counter-argument, and if not it would do
little to my faith." "Just like murder, adultery, stealing, lying. "The Bible says we are here for God's pleasure! Sounds pretty
clear why we are here and who put us here....." "I wouldn't necessarily say W.Y.R.I.S.W.Y.S.2 [another poster] is
serving Christ. His language and intolerance is as bad as what mine used
to be. Anyway, he was talking about becoming an atheist a while back...
the most visible sign of an unsaved person." "Remember that your spiritual well-being and faith should be infinitely more important than an |