Regardless of what the media may say, Focus on the Family has no interest in promoting hatred toward homosexuals or any other group of our fellow human beings. We have not supported, and will never support, legislation aimed at depriving them of their basic constitutional rights — rights they share with every citizen.
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The effort to redefine the family, qualify for adoption, promote the homosexual lifestyle in the schools, etc., are objectives with which I disagree. And I will oppose them when the issues are raised. Does that make me a hatemonger? I think not.
Concerning the passage of Amendment 2 here in Colorado (which would have prohibited ordinances and legislation creating "special rights" for homosexuals, equating them with those needing civil rights protection), let me explain why we strongly favored that legislation. To understand our position, you must know that many Christians also feel they have been victimized by society's hostility to traditional religious views.
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How would you and your homosexual companions feel if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status? How would you react if we asserted that we should be given a job and shielded from termination just because we are Christians? I can predict that you would fight such ordinances tooth and nail. Why?
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You ruled the whole of Europe for 1500 years, isn't that a special status? Also, YOU ARE asking for special status, since you consider freedom of religion to be a crime when it protects something other than your own religion.
Christians are already protected as discrimination based on religion is not permitted. Gays are only asking for those very same rights based on sexual orientation. Actually, such a law would also add another level to Jimmy Dobson as it would be illegal to discriminate against him on the basis that he is straight. He'd still be an idiot, though.
How would you and your homosexual companions feel if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status?
Except that Christians basically have had special, protected legal status for that last 200 years in the United States alone.
This seems to be making the case that Christianity cannot be non-political. I would argue, therefore, if this is the case that there is no basis for the tax exemption on churches. They should be back-taxed right to when they were instituted, or to the founding of the US, whichever is the sooner.
This seems to be making the case that Christianity cannot be non-political. I would argue, therefore, if this is the case that there is no basis for the tax exemption on churches. They should be back-taxed right to when they were instituted, or to the founding of the US, whichever is the sooner.
Special legal status? You mean like not having to pay taxes, like being able to smoke marijuana or use other controlled substances when illegal for others, like ...
Wow. I mean, I could go on, but it would be lost on him.
"How would etc"? Isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing. So, where's the hypothetic issue?
Every human is equally important as the next, and should be treated with the same respect and kindess as anyone else.
End of story.
How would you and your homosexual companions feel if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status? How would you react if we [were] shielded from termination just because we are Christians? I can predict that you would fight such ordinances tooth and nail.
Uh... you've already got that protected legal status, dumbass. Religious belief has been a protected status for at least 20 years now. You can't be fired from a job because you are a Christian, no matter how often you like to cry about being persecuted.
How would you and your homosexual companions feel if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status? How would you react if we asserted that we should be given a job and shielded from termination just because we are Christians? I can predict that you would fight such ordinances tooth and nail.
The next time you lie for Jesus, try to have a little credibility.
"if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status?"
Which
1) You already have
2) You use to deny others the same
3) You (Focus on the Family) (all right wing Christian groups) Continully demand
I've never before seen such unimaginable persecution perpetrated against such an innocent and ethical people as the fundamental cultists of America. The deprivation and cruelties of their day to day suffering brings one out in a cold sweat just to even think about the least of them. But the way they loftily maintain their dignity amid the continual sneering and taunting of a so called 'reality based crowd' is heartwarming and extremely uplifting. To hear them counter the lies, deceit and bigotry of these educated and normal troublemakers brings a tear to the eye. Oh! What a woeful situation we find ourselves in when a bunch of friendly fantasists are not allowed to impose their will over others not like them.
"How would you and your homosexual companions feel if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status? How would you react if we asserted that we should be given a job and shielded from termination just because we are Christians?"
Okay so how long have you been in a coma Mr. Dobson?
A few things come to mind:
-Tax exempt status
-"Such and such organization does not discriminate based on religion"
Your churches get tax breaks... That's special status.
See they are asking for equal rights, if you get married as a heterosexual couple you gain all manner of rights. They just want those. Now what your suggesting is that we remove all those extra rights from heterosexual couples...
I didn't know who this fuckwit was when I lived in Vermont.
Now I'm ashamed to share a state with him, but I still hate VT too much to go back. Damned if I do ...
Henry VIII of England did a good thing when he seized Church land and property during the English Reformation and distributed it to those who would purchase it. This weakened the church and made it much less powerful in the political sphere.
We should take it one step further and revoke tax exemption for all religious institutions that seek to be politically involved.
Uh....perhaps you missed it. Christians ARE afforded special status idiot.
And wanting to marry the person you love isn't a 'Special status'. It's the same freakin one hetero folks have. Ya know, the one where most marriages only last about seven year? The privilege that allowed the word 'starter marriage' to enter the lexicon. THAT ONE
How would you react if we asserted that we should be given a job and shielded from termination just because we are Christians?
But you already have those protections in the existing laws. Employers cannot discriminate based on religion. Unfortunately, in many states they are able to discriminate based on sexual orientation. That's why those laws need to be implemented. It's not extra rights, it's a clarification of existing rights.
"(which would have prohibited ordinances and legislation creating "special rights" for homosexuals, equating them with those needing civil rights protection)"
Cunts. Gay people are every bit in need of civil rights protection as other minorities.
"How would you and your homosexual companions feel if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status?"
You already have a protected status:
A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a "criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, RELIGION , disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation."
source: FBI Civil Rights Division
"How would you and your homosexual companions feel if we, as Christians, began lobbying for special, protected legal status? How would you react if we asserted that we should be given a job and shielded from termination just because we are Christians? I can predict that you would fight such ordinances tooth and nail. Why?"
When did you stop beating your wife? Why?
how would YOU christians feel if we took away your tax exempts, your protected legal status when it comes to employment, your right to marry your OPPOSITE SEX spouse, your right to adopt or even POSSESS your own children, your freedom to practice your religion, your right to go to private christian schools, and your right to be treated like human fucking beings? Even though... we all know here that a HUGE CHUNK and percentage of you are FAR FROM FUCKING HUMAN... or even HUMANE... when it comes to different walks of life that dont see things YOUR FUCKING WAY? Enuff said I believe... so STFU AND GIVE US OUR EQUAL RIGHTS AND STOP BITCHING CUZ YOU WANT EVERYTHING YOUR WAY! TIMES ARE CHANGING! GET WITH IT OR GET THE FUCK OUTTA DODGE and take your HATEMONGERING with you!!
Is this jeopardy or something? What is Title VII?
Though that also gave protected status to race and gender, so he was probably too busy having conniptions about that.
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