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I'm pretty sure painters, architects, builders, and parents don't make a regular habit of killing people by the bucketful via natural disasters.
...You know, I can't help but link that to another quote.
God has supposedly a bad temper. He wrecks havoc to give punishment. For instance, the tsunamis, the storms, the earthquakes... We often hear that they are signs from God that God's in his PMS. And they're rather...Evil things.
But what evil does Satan do?
PANTSUITS.
I've seen painters paint, architects design buildings, builder build said buildings, and my parents.
Now guess if I've ever seen God design or create. Or exist. Or if anybody else has for that matter.
Missing his own point.
If no painters had ever been shown to exist, and all one saw concerning paint was artless, aimless splashes, one could quite easily agrue against the existence of painters.
I didn't think it was possible to make word-salad with pictures, but here we go.
And what a kind, compassionate, loving god you have there too. He loves you so much that he will crush you with a hurricane storm surge because some guys up north whom you don't even know got married.
No one claims painters, architects, builders or one's parents are omniscient, omnipotent and all-loving.
"Using this way of thinking, Rich could also argue against the existence of painters, architects, builders, his own parents..."
Ah, but none of them are omnipotent fucking entities who are claimed to be all-loving, now are they? Which is sort of the point Rich there is making.
How fucking stupid do you have to be exactly to write your own dialogue and then miss the fucking point the character is making?
Your argument is flawed in many ways, but I'll just point out two.
1. God is supposedly "flawless". Painters aren't.
2. We can see painters.
I don't know why these folks don't just drop that whole "God loves you" smokescreen, and be honest about their theology:
God will use any excuse He can to send you to an eternity of torture. Your only hope is to toe the teetering line that permits you to escape unscathed. Worship Jesus or God'll get you!
So god couldnt make parents without making deadly storms as well.
in other words, God has boundaries to his power and he is also a dick...gotcha.
I think the point is trying to be: "God doesn't do things the way you want him to do them" OR "God works in mysterious (often deadly) ways"
And I suppose that that ideology isn't necessarily incorrect. Of course, that would make God either a jerk, powerless in the face of mother nature, or is too lazy to give a crap.
In other words, not the same God that is in the Bible's new testament...hmm
Hey Answers in Genesis!
Painters, architects, builders, and his own parents are HUMAN creators who are not perfect and make no claim to being so. Your God, on the other hand, is supposedly the most perfect being possible. His creations should have no flaws! Ergo, false analogy.
How to fuck is this supposed to work? So, painters, architects and builders are humans and they have their flaws. Perfect being as god allegedly is shouldn't have those. And wth with adding parents to the equation?
Epic Fail by Category:
1. Conflation of multiple, separate arguments. Atheists, like myself, and frequently also nonchristian theists, argue that, were the christian god to exist, he would be evil and unworthy of worship because of the ghastly things he would then be responsible for (e.g. mass death in freak weather, holy wars, eternal torture of non-toadies). The nonexistence of god is a different argument based on different evidence, or lack thereof.
2. False analogy. Painters, architects, builders and parents can easily be verified to exist by repeatable observation; this means that the assertion of the existence of any particular one of them that one happens not to have observed directly is vastly more plausible than the assertion of the existence of an unobservable god for which no sound evidence exists, and there's a good chance the true skeptic could seek out the alleged painter or builder and verify his existence anyway.
3. False analogy 2, and really, really missing a glaringly obvious point. Painters, architects and builders generally don't commit atrocities in the pursuit of their vocation. Most parents aren't too bad either.
4. Strawman, resulting from all of the above misrepresentations.
Ever hear of critics, Dan? Either professionals on TV, radio, in newspapers, magazines, on the internet etc, or even the 'Armchair' ones like Rich in your illustration. They point out the flaws in others' creations (as well as praise the good in such). Well, on that basis, your 'God' hasn't exactly done a bang-up job of his creation so far.
And now you know why the likes of Richard Dawkins exists.
No, but he could argue against the existence of omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent painters, architects, builders, and parents.
Yes, but when your job definition is "Supreme Being" you automatically lose credibility doing anything heinous.
Theodicy can't be licked in a single panel cartoon.
@ Papabear
If ... all one saw concerning paint was artless, aimless splashes, one could quite easily agrue against the existence of painters.
Hey! Ya picking on Mark Rothko and Jackson Pollock?
Well, OK, I can't agrue on that, though you may mean artists .
Confused?
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