I debated [Dr Stephen Meyer] once. He is a legend in his own mind. My understanding is he got a doctors degree from a university he started just to grant him a doctors degree. It's a university with no students and he's the president. [...] I would be glad to debate him again if we could get him to stick to the topic of Creation/Evolution but it is always ad hominem attacks.
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But... Meyer's a Creationist with the Discovery Institute. What on Earth would they debate?
Hovind: "God did it."
Who do I trust the least, a Creationist with a 'Doctorate' from his own 'University' or a a Creationist with a diploma mill 'Doctorate' who's also a convicted fraudster?
Hmmmm, tough call.
Incidentally, pointing out that your opponent is in jail for tax evasion isn't an ad hominem attack if the point you're trying to prove is that he isn't to be trusted.
@Skaloop: http://www.bibleandscience.com/otherviews/hovind.htm
Scroll down to "A phone call with Kent Hovind"... pretty bad when the more respectable creationist organizations toss him out.
The debate was actually over ridiculous claims that Kent was making, not anything about creationism.
Goldmine here, by the way:
http://www.kent-hovind.com/quotes/evolution.htm
And:
And this horrible statement:
Hovind is a Biblical young-earth creationist (YEC). Meyer is an Intelligent Design supporter. Meyers has stated "It seems to me that God used evolution to create life on earth", so he's really more a supporter of theistic evolution. It's not surprising that Meyers and Hovind, an extreme IFB fundie, would clash. Furthermore, Hovind often continues to use arguments that even fellow creationists admit have been discredited, which many creationists feel makes them look stupid. [ed. even stupider].
Here is an interesting article by Meyers telling of his gradual abandonment of hard-core fundamentalism and YEC:
http://www.bibleandscience.com/meyers.htm
According to Wikipedia, Meyer got his Ph.D. from Cambridge University.
Hovind hears an argument against him and decides to use it against any opponent, whether it has any validity or not.
What does this "pot and kettle" thing mean?
Btw., a site critical of Hovind mentioned his uni isn't actually a diploma mill, but his Ph.D. is in Christianity or something like that, so he's certainly not qualified in scienfitic fields.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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