[Chris Rushton teaches a 13-week seminar on creation "science"]
There are two types of science, Rushton says.
"There's observational science; that's the type of science that we can test with our senses: smell, sight, taste, touch. But there's also what's called historical science or origin science. That is taking evidences or facts and then interpreting the past.
"When you look at origin science or historical science, we have the same facts, the same evidence, whether we're creationists or evolutionists. What's different is how we interpret the facts.
"So, we look to see how observational science applies to the information we find in the book of Genesis. If you look at it with an open mind, you'll see that observational science confirms what's in the book of Genesis and that evolutionary ideas are not confirmed by observational science."
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So basically all historical texts are 100% accurate and unbiased? When one people write about the horrible monsters that attacked and slaughtered them and the "horrible monsters" write about how they were bringing a better life to those heathens, both accounts are correct? When an endless amount of texts which we classify as mythology talk about thousands of gods, tree spirits, wizards who did good deeds, etc while the Bible says there is only one god and that witchcraft is the work of the devil, they're both right as well? Or is it that your an idiot and decided to ignore all of that to make it seem like your Bible had actual ground to stand on?
If you look at it with an open mind, you'll see that observational science confirms what's in the book of Genesis and that evolutionary ideas are not confirmed by observational science
Oooh, you lying little minx. Satan's going to spank you ass raw in hell for that!
Well, it´s sad to tell you that up to now I haven´t seen a speaking snake, or that the period is a filthy impure disease, or what mana can be, or that the waters can be divide. Of course, science doesn´t agree either.
Wait a minute. You DON'T look at the same evidence. Creationism is NOT science. Science does not extrapolate an hypothesis and seek evidence to support it. Science looks at evidence, and seeks a theory to explain the evidence.
These theories are then peer-reviewed, revised, reviewed and so on until the theory in question cannot be disproved, such as is the case with evolution.
When you look at origin science or historical science, we have the same facts, the same evidence, whether we're creationists or evolutionists. What's different is how we interpret the facts.
Since when did "my book says otherwise, so all of the evidence is wrong" become an interpretation?
""When you look at origin science or historical science, we have the same facts, the same evidence, whether we're creationists or evolutionists. "
Not true. Creationists make shit up.
<serious comment\\> Creationists invented the division between operational science and origin science to deal with the problem of science both supporting evolution and supporting flying airplanes.
If science is so defective that it supports the lie that is evolution, how did it manage to make 747s fly? And if it's valid enough to make 747s fly then there must be something to evolution after all.
So they put evolution science in one category and inventing airplane science in another and no longer have to claim 747 don't fly because science is all a lie. Only some of it is.<\\serious comment>
"There's observational science; that's the type of science that we can test with our senses: smell, sight, taste, touch. But there's also what's called historical science or origin science. That is taking evidences or facts and then interpreting the past.
I think what he's trying to describe without actually knowing much about science are "facts" vs. "theories" (in the scientific sense) - things we observe vs. the explanations and causes we deduce.
we have the same facts, the same evidence, whether we're creationists or evolutionists. What's different is how we interpret the facts.
Creationists don't interpret the facts. They come up with the interpretation first, then try to find or create "facts" that can be twisted to agree with them or disagree with alternatives.
If you look at it with an open mind, you'll see that observational science confirms what's in the book of Genesis and that evolutionary ideas are not confirmed by observational science.
There are no confirming facts for Genesis. There is no evidence that the world is only 6,000 years old, and substantial astronomical and geological evidence against it. Even modern "Intelligent Design" creationists have given up on this one.
Evolution is confirmed by observations. That's why the theory exists. There are no facts that contradict evolution; only claims that there may be other facts we haven't discovered yet (god of the gaps arguments), the "improbability" of evolution (arguments from personal incredulity or ignorance) and alternative theories involving the unconfirmable intervention of the supernatural.
Try doing the same in any school, college or university in the US, Chris.
Four Words: Kitzmiller versus Dover, bitch.
Mayhaps that little legal precedent is precisely why you're reduced to saying such in a mere 'seminar' (a.k.a. 'hoemskuling' for adults).
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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