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I also believe that this story is just a lie. I am a Christian,and I hate to see people attempt to use a lie to prove a truth-its just wrong.
Now, about science using personal beliefs of scientist. This is a fact. There is no evidence for evolution. It is all (100%) supposition. If evolution was a fact, then all scientist would believe it. But when surveyed, just over half of scientist believe in evolution. Personal beliefs and opinions run amok within the circles of evolution.
There are many scientist willing to publicly state that they do not accept Darwinian evolution as fact. See www.whoisyorcreator.org and scroll down the page for a link to a growing list of 700+ scientist who say so.

Janet H 24, Yahoo! Answers 55 Comments [12/28/2007 3:27:38 AM]
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Bob Dole

lawl

12/28/2007 3:44:52 AM

Mike

And just where did this poll come from, hmm?

12/28/2007 3:47:16 AM

Madame Scarlet

Newsflash, Janet: 700 is a pretty damn small number of scientists. I'm guessing the number is even smaller than that, because most of them probably have degrees from diploma mills.

12/28/2007 3:50:26 AM

Illuminatalie

Wow, you found 700 kooks in the world. Who'da thunkit?

12/28/2007 3:50:51 AM

JD

hm... I was hoping for a laugh but that link seems quite dead

Anyone manage to get their hands on it before?

12/28/2007 3:54:09 AM

henut

quote-unquote scientists

12/28/2007 3:55:01 AM

Patches

For every one of your 700+ scientists who do not accept the theory of evolution, I can give you a scientist named "Steve" who does.

12/28/2007 4:03:30 AM

Beccs

Patches beat me to it.

My hat is off to you, Patches.

12/28/2007 4:11:55 AM

√ėyvind

What's up with fundies who don't use 'scientist' in the plural form?

12/28/2007 4:38:27 AM

484

Several problems with this
1: Evolutionists ran "Project Steve" in which every scientist that supported evolution signed a petition, and every name on the petition that wasn't "Steve" was removed. There are more than 700 scientists named "Steve" who support evolution (I think the number was closer to 1,000, google "Project Steve" if you don't believe me) (you beat me to it Patches).
2: Any scientist who isn't a biologist holds a worthless opinion (technically every scientist's opinion is worthless, to think otherwise is to commit "Appeal to Authority")
3: Scientists are allowed to be biased and religious, and to be influenced by non-scientific sources. This does not make these non-scientific opinions correct, just because they are views held by a scientist. As you said your self, "Personal beliefs and opinions run amok within the circles of evolution."
4: A theory is not a fact, a theory is the best explanation of the facts.
5: there are FAR more than 1400 scientists in the world, retard.
6: These petitions against evolution are often worded so vaguely that one can be a staunch supporter of Darwinian Evolution and still sign it in good conscience.

12/28/2007 4:57:06 AM

approximate

:headdesk:

12/28/2007 5:09:15 AM

The Antichrist

You speak of using beliefs as grounds for a theory as if it is a bad thing, yet to prove your point, you redirect the reader to a website that is obviously founded to further the BELIEF that God is the one creator. All of religion is founded on a set of personal beliefs, whether it be Christianity, Islam, or Pastafarianism. The difference lies in the fact that the beliefs of scientists are anchored in trial and tribulation, while the beliefs of the religious find their source in blind faith. There is no logic to religion. Followers of religion have no say in what they believe, they just follow it like the sheep their Bible tells them they are. Those that traverse the path of science and logic are the ones that truly understand the purpose of humanity in this world.

12/28/2007 6:12:51 AM

The Antichrist

Also, my name is Steve and I support Darwinian Evolutionism. There you go, Patches.

12/28/2007 6:15:02 AM

Zarathustra

1."I am a Christian,and I hate to see people attempt to use a lie to prove a truth-its just wrong."-So you hate yourself?
2."There is no evidence for evolution. It is all (100%) supposition."-LIES! evolution is 100% FACT only the mechanism by which it occurs is in question.
3."If evolution was a fact, then all scientist would believe it."-not everyone believes in your god, does that mean he's not real?
4."There are many scientist willing to publicly state that they do not accept Darwinian evolution as fact."-You do realise that creation "scientists" don't count right?
5.


12/28/2007 6:51:32 AM

King Duncan

Just because you get an online college degree, does not mean that you are a scientist.
Wait, 700? Just how many scientists does he think there are anyway? I would bet this represents less than 1% of reputable scientists.

12/28/2007 6:53:21 AM



<<These petitions against evolution are often worded so vaguely that one can be a staunch supporter of Darwinian Evolution and still sign it in good conscience.>>

Examples?

12/28/2007 7:55:55 AM

Mister Spak

"I hate to see people attempt to use a lie to prove a truth-its just wrong."

I hate even more seeing you use a lie to try to prove another lie. Unfortunately that's standard procedure for fundtards.



Since the early Twentieth Century, evolution deniers have been fond of creating lists of "scientists" who do not accept evolution. This tactic is an attempt to give the erroneous impression that, among scientists in general, support for evolution is in decline or that evolution is a "theory in crisis."


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/

You fail.


12/28/2007 2:49:28 PM

BlackMageJ

Anybody ever watch Yes, Prime Minister? Faking a survey result is easy.

You just ask a bunch of leading questions which provoke predictable answers, in this case asking something along the lines of 'do you believe there are flaws (or unexplained elements)' in various theories. Then gradually move into evolution, asking if more research needs to be done.

Then you ask if they believe the current theory of Darwinian evolution is accurate. They say no, because they've already said it needs more work.

Scrap the first bunch of questions, publish the results of the last one, and voila- scientists say Evolution is wrong.

12/28/2007 2:51:11 PM

NonProphet

BlackMageJ:
Sort of the way some newspapers get their headlines, isn't it?

12/28/2007 3:06:05 PM

Eric

I've seen those questionnaires. It was worded something like 'do you believe that the theory of evolution needs to be retested and reevaluated?' Of course scientists are going to say yes to this. Scientists would say yes to that for every theory.

12/28/2007 3:28:49 PM

Ingoa

Just for the fun of it...

I searched in the creationist list for Germans. There were two.

W. Hutter should be at U Ulm.
My findings:
He was webmaster of the chemistry faculty in the nineties. Now he can be found as a "co-pastor" at an evangelical church in Ulm. But not in the phonebook of U Ulm. Last dated document I found at the U Ulm web is from 1997.

G.A. Speck should be at U Heidelberg.
My findings:
Unknown to the U Heidelberg phone directory. Unkown to the entire U Heidelberg web site. There was apparently a Georg A. Speck working for Boehringer (a pharmazeutical company) (dated 2003)

The list referenced in the quote was last updated in October 2007. Their updating process is as flawed as their logic.

Conclusions:
I tried 2 of 700. Both were not employed at he stated institutes. I also looked whether they got at least their PhD from the stated universities. No luck.



12/28/2007 3:36:59 PM

John

See www.whoisyorcreator.org and scroll down the page for a link to a growing list of 700+ scientist who say so

The list of scientists named "Steve" who say different is up over 800. And that list includes Nobel laureates.

12/28/2007 3:40:54 PM

Sideshow Bob

If you are a Christian, and hate when people use a lie to prove a truth, then step off of Creationism.

12/28/2007 4:05:34 PM

Aethernaut

Wow. Does it hurt when you lie for Jebus like that?

12/28/2007 4:11:51 PM

Thundersqueaks

"I hate to see people attempt to use a lie to prove a truth-its just wrong."

However, using a lie to try and pass a lie off as the truth, appears to be ok with you.

12/28/2007 4:16:41 PM
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