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As a Christian and a Young-Earth Creationist, I don't have to believe that Muslims or Wiccans are lying when they say they saw a miracle. I can believe, and I do believe, that they very well may have seen a miracle; but I would consider it a counterfeit miracle of Satan.
How would I know whether a miracle is of Satan or of God? It depends on the context. If the miracle causes people to realize that God is great and wonderful, and to put their trust in Him, it was very likely from God. If the miracle encourages people to think something other than God is great, and to trust in that other instead, it's a counterfeit miracle of Satan.

Zuniceratops, FaithCommnityNetwork 38 Comments [3/24/2008 7:56:57 PM]
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So how do we know that you're right? How do we know that Satan isn't working through you? How do we know that your God isn't Satan himself? And that the real god is standing back watching the fundamentalist movement sweep the earth?

How do we know anything?

3/24/2008 8:00:40 PM


So if you get your legs blown off in Iraq and are pissed off about it, it was Satan's doing. If you thank God you weren't killed, it was God's.

3/24/2008 8:01:12 PM


I love how you could use "Satan", "The Illuminati", and "the ZOG" interchangably, and your quote would go in a different section of the website depending on which one you used.

3/24/2008 8:08:15 PM

What you're describing is preconcived notions about a fact. Sorry to put you down.

3/24/2008 8:20:14 PM

Thinking Allowed

Double standard much?

3/24/2008 8:23:20 PM


what makes this guy think he cant be fooled by the Prince of Lies?

3/24/2008 8:23:59 PM


But what about differing opinions? Hmmmmm? Hurricane Katrina reacquainted many people with their faith, but turned many others from theirs'. Also, you seem awfully cocksure that you know what's the will of God and what's the will of Satan? If Satan truly is the lord of Lies, how do you know you're not being deceived? How do you know that reassuring voice in your ear isn't really Satan? Hmmm?

3/24/2008 8:25:55 PM

Mister Spak

"How would I know whether a miracle is of Satan or of God?"

First you must ask, is it a miracle or is it a con artist trying to fool gullible fundies?

3/24/2008 8:27:55 PM

Sweet Violet

So now Satan creates miracles?

Where did you find all this claptrap in your bible? I want citations, book, chapter and verse, proving this is biblical.

Otherwise you are lying and you can't get to your heaven that way.

Dontcha just love it how these guys repeatedly violate their own rules and regulations and still think their god is going to let them into the heaven reserved for the righteous? Wouldn't it be great if Hell were real...how surprised would they be to find themselves slowing roasting over an open flame instead of sitting on a cloud wearing a crown?

3/24/2008 8:28:56 PM

Doctor Whom

Actually, according to Deuteronomy 13:1-3, God works counterfeit miracles to test your faith.

3/24/2008 8:45:34 PM


As far as devout Muslims are concerned, you're the one deluding yourself.
Since miracles don't happen in the real world, I figure you're both deluding yourselves.
Besides, I love the way you call Satan the author of all this confusion. Your god is complicit in Satan's actions throughout most of the Bible.

3/24/2008 8:49:01 PM


Jesus made me drop the ball.

3/24/2008 8:49:48 PM


By the way, whatever became of God being a deceptive bastard who 'tested your faith' by setting up fairly undeniable evidence to support evolution?

3/24/2008 8:50:27 PM


So, that's why god hasn't performed miracles for over 2000 years, because he only performs them for his own benefit and not the benefit of those on earth who he supposedly created?

I also didn't know satan had the power to create miracles. He is, after all, merely a fallen angel. I thought god controlled miracles? Did he give up power to satan or did satan steal it or what?

3/24/2008 8:52:16 PM



My mother, a good woman, and religious, always used to say that the devil can use the Bible and miracles for his own purposes...

I take you a step further - he could even have written it. Especially the KJV. King James was very interested in demonology. So beware. You never know. It could all be one big Satanic hoax! Hence the lies, murders and contradictions in your Bible! Think on it!

3/24/2008 9:35:38 PM


What if the miracle convinces me there is a god, but I hate him because of it?

3/24/2008 9:36:22 PM


If it's a miracle, it's a miracle whether it be by God or Satan. A "counterfeit miracle" cannot exist. Of course, neither can a miracle so I guess my point is moot.

3/24/2008 9:57:28 PM


You've actually discovered a paradox which classifies all religion as bogus.


3/24/2008 10:15:15 PM

Grand Archblasphemer of York

What if Satan is the one true God, and he tries to fool people into thinking that God exists so he knows who to torture the most in the afterlife for a good laugh? What if the real miracles are the ones that lead to other religions, but the ones that strengthen your faith are only tricks, meant to keep you within the confines of the Church, so that your eternal humiliation for defying Satan and being too naive will begin?

That's why I worship the FSM...he messes with people, but at least he isn't as sadistic as the characters in your mythology...

3/24/2008 10:21:52 PM

Random Guy

Need I point out that his name happens to be the same as a transitional fossil? Not that this has anything to do with his argument, it's just ironic that a YEC should base his username off of a transitional fossil.

Zuniceratops is the oldest known ceratopsian dinosaur from North America, and is the first to have well-developed horns over its eyes (even then, the horns are relatively small compared to later ceratopsians). It's also larger than more primitive horned dinosaurs, but smaller than more derived ones like Triceratops and Chasmosaurus.

3/24/2008 10:30:37 PM

Old Viking

It's a miracle you can type. I'm leaning toward Satanic.

3/24/2008 10:40:51 PM


But what about a "miracle" that brings some to your god but, say, makes others believe more in science?

It must be difficult for you to conceive of the notion that NOT all people think or interperet things the same way. What, with that herd mentality you fundies exhibit.

3/24/2008 10:45:28 PM


Can you prove you actually know this? How doyou know when a Muslim or a Wican see a miracle it is not from their god (and Muslims and Christians are both under the God of Abraham at that)

3/24/2008 10:58:13 PM


I'm sure that normal Muslims or Wiccans would claim they saw a miracle. They would be too ashamed to do such a thing. As for the doublethink in the post: Freedom is Slavery, War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength. God is Flying Spaghettie Monster.

3/24/2008 11:13:30 PM


There are no miracles...just dumbasses that believe there are.

3/25/2008 1:48:05 AM

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