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I am an avid supporter of Hovind and his ministries. I also believe the counts on which he was charged are without base, that the income tax itself was never established as an actual law, and none will find it anywhere. You can ask a judge, IRS officials, any law-enforcement officer, or anyone at all and they will not be able to show you the law, because it DOESN'T EXIST. Watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" to discover the real truth behind Hovind's main alleged "crime": income tax. And even then, his ministry was a church, and all money in was considered "gifts" from supporters, so technically, even if the income tax was actually a lawful tax, Hovind still wouldn't be violating any principles this law lays down. The only reason anyone discovered his actions was Beka Horton, who hated him for exposing Pensacola Christian College as a... to put it lightly, an unfriendly school regarding security and inside sourcing (spying). She blew the whistle on him out of spite, and she'll be answering to God for what she did, putting an innocent man in jail where he doesn't belong.

Rod Alexander Alerasoul, Free Hovind 43 Comments [4/30/2010 6:45:19 AM]
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Draken

C'mon people, give the man a break! All of those half-a-million dollars were from gifts!

Coming to think of it, the couple of thousand I get each month from my employer are also a gift. Because he loves me so much.

4/30/2010 12:05:30 PM

Horsefeathers

"I am an avid supporter of Hovind and his ministries."

I'm terribly sorry to hear that. Here's wishing you a speedy recovery.

"I also believe the counts on which he was charged are without base, that the income tax itself was never established as an actual law, and none will find it anywhere. You can ask a judge, IRS officials, any law-enforcement officer, or anyone at all and they will not be able to show you the law, because it DOESN'T EXIST."

Sounds like you're itching for a cell next to your hero Hovind.

"Watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" to discover the real truth behind Hovind's main alleged "crime": income tax."

His crime was not "income tax" you moron. His crime was not paying income tax, structuring transactions in such a way as to avoid the IRS being notified of them and so on.

"And even then, his ministry was a church, and all money in was considered "gifts" from supporters, so technically, even if the income tax was actually a lawful tax, Hovind still wouldn't be violating any principles this law lays down."

As I understand it, income made by the church itself is not taxable. Income made by its employees is taxable income. Which Hovid failed to pay.

"The only reason anyone discovered his actions was Beka Horton, who hated him for exposing Pensacola Christian College as a... to put it lightly, an unfriendly school regarding security and inside sourcing (spying)."

And?

"She blew the whistle on him out of spite, and she'll be answering to God for what she did, putting an innocent man in jail where he doesn't belong."

Read Romans.

4/30/2010 12:17:53 PM

Slavaa

"I am an avid supporter of Hovind and his ministries."

Wow, you hit my quota for crazy RIGHT THERE.

4/30/2010 12:21:25 PM

Vince

I don't think these people are getting anywhere near enough shit for being this stupid. The biggest problem is that if your being a retard and no one around you in your day to day life tells you, and discipline you for it, then you never learn any better.

These people could be helped so greatly by a little hard knocks learning. I say some court dates and jail time would make for a fresh perspective on what the laws actually are.


p.s.

the only way this person could not believe income tax exists is if they never paid them (justification for above plan) or are either some 12 year old who only even heard who Hovind is because his family likely has a portrait of him over the mantle, or, he's a hobo at an internet cafe who' never earned anything his whole life.

4/30/2010 12:38:09 PM

Rambler

Wait isn't Pensacola Christian College the place of the "Eye babies"? If Hovind did something to piss them off then he goes up at least +1 point to his -500 points.

4/30/2010 1:47:39 PM

Giveitaday

I am an avid supporter of Hovind and his ministries.

I'm sorry to hear that.

I also believe the counts on which he was charged are without base

Your ignorance of those laws does not mean they don't exist. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

that the income tax itself was never established as an actual law, and none will find it anywhere.

Yes, it was. And the 16th Ammendment has been ratified by every state that has joined the union since.

You can ask a judge, IRS officials, any law-enforcement officer, or anyone at all and they will not be able to show you the law,

Where did you get your law degree from? I don't need to ask a judge, IRS officials, or the cops when I can look it up in the tax law code. Moreoverf, Have you ever asked a judge or an IRS official to show you the law? Or are you just parroting what you heard in one of Hovind's videos?

because it DOESN'T EXIST.

IT'S THE 16TH AMMENDMENT TO THE FUCKING U.S. CONSTITUTION!!! Are you honestly telling me that there is not a single copy of the constitution that contains that ammendment?

Watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" to discover the real truth behind Hovind's main alleged "crime": income tax.

Hovind's crimes were not limited to income tax alone. He was tried and convicted for a whole range of crimes and violation that showed a clear pattern of intent to defraud the government. The fact you have a video that says otherwise does not change the law.

And even then, his ministry was a church, and all money in was considered "gifts" from supporters=

His amusement park was not a church. And he didn't ask for a "gift" from attendees, he charged an admission fee.

4/30/2010 2:30:51 PM

Giveitaday

Continued from above post

so technically, even if the income tax was actually a lawful tax, Hovind still wouldn't be violating any principles this law lays down.

The income tax violations were not just Hovind's, but also those of every single employee at Dino Adventure Land who's income tax he didn't pay and who he carelessly made accessories after the fact.

The only reason anyone discovered his actions was Beka Horton, who hated him for exposing Pensacola Christian College as a... to put it lightly, an unfriendly school regarding security and inside sourcing (spying).

And how exactly does that make Hovind not responsible for his attempt to avoid paying legally required taxes for his own financial benefit?

She blew the whistle on him out of spite

So you admit that there was something to "blow the whistle" about?

and she'll be answering to God for what she did

I'm sorry, I failed to notice the passages in the bible that said either you or Kent Hovind were the ones who decided who will or will not "answer" to your "god" for percieved transgressions.

putting an innocent man in jail where he doesn't belong.

Not only Has Hovind been demonstrated time and time again to have commited tax fraud, and therefore not at all innocent, but he is also the author of his own jail sentence. Rather than cooperated with the IRS and resolve the matter outside of court Hovind opted to continue trying to avoid paying his taxes by attempting to hide or obfuscate his assets.

4/30/2010 2:31:24 PM

Berny

Tell you what then, show your support for Kent Hovind by going against the Gospels and stop paying your taxes. Put your money where your mouth is.
Sure you'll wind up in jail but think of the bonus points you'll get with the big guy upstairs for being a martyr for your cause!

4/30/2010 4:25:40 PM

Old Viking

Keep up your courageous fight against the legality of taxation. If you applythis principle to yourself you'll be able to express your admiration from the next cell.

4/30/2010 4:26:00 PM

caustic gnostic

Explain, please, how "blowing the whistle" on an "innocent" person puts him in jail?

4/30/2010 4:50:30 PM

Alencon

Nobody can be this fucking stupid can they? Talk about denying reality.

4/30/2010 9:32:34 PM

John_in_Oz

"Some will say the Bible teaches us to obey the authority over us. I agree and I do. The IRS is not the authority over me any more than the government of Japan is."
http://web.archive.org/web/20010825194413/www.drdino.com/FAQs/FAQmisc12.jsp

I see why you support Hovind.
It's because you're both crazy.

5/1/2010 1:42:09 AM



16th amendment aside, plenty have been prosecuted and sentenced because of tax evasion setting precedent that it is a punishable offense.

5/1/2010 2:24:23 AM

Alfador

I guess these people never heard of rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's. :P

5/1/2010 6:38:41 PM



Sorry, are you telling me that collecting taxes is not a law?. Maybe in the neolithic age.

5/2/2010 9:20:02 AM

draco_nite

Even if they were all gifts, there's still a gift tax.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=108139,00.html

5/2/2010 5:54:10 PM

shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

It was an interesting film... but I am not sure myself how much sound and solid foundation it has to be the truth.... Im not sure but still Hovind is still a nutbag fundy.

5/7/2010 5:41:26 PM

RapturedbyBlondie

Oh, Hovind is an "avid" supporter of himself, too.

7/15/2011 8:54:52 PM
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