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Nearly half of Muslims in the US say that they think of themselves first as Muslims rather than Americans. Now that's a problem. It's not a problem when a Christian says that. For the Christian to say "I am a Christian first and an American second," that's what we all ought to say. Our ultimate allegiance is not to country, not to the Constitution, it's to God and the the Scripture. If you have to make a choice between the two, we must obey God rather than man.

But when a Christan says "I'm a Christian first and an American second," the fact that he is a Christian first, he's got devotion and allegiance to Jesus Christ means he's going to be a better American. He's going to be an asset to his country, he's going to love his country, he's going to become more fervent in his patriotism. His love for his country and for its traditions are going to deepen because those traditions are rooted in the soil of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Now if you have a Muslim, on the other hand, that says that - "I am a Muslim first and an American second" - look out! Because that indicates his ultimate devotion is to the Quran, it's to Allah, it's to Muhammad. It's not to Jesus Christ, it's not to the Judeo-Christian tradition, it is not to American values and American tradition and American history and American heroes - it is to Allah and Allah tells him to slay the idolaters wherever you find them.

So the more devout a Muslim gets, the more of a threat he becomes to America's nation security.

Bryan Fischer, Right Wing Watch 170 Comments [9/2/2011 3:52:59 AM]
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toby_in_manchester

I smell double standards. Seriously.

9/2/2011 4:07:21 AM

Sadhuman

What the flying duck, how can you have that kind of double standard and think you are not batshit insane. I mean really, you complain that they think about their God first (which is your God as well) and that makes them bad Americans but it's fine for you to do the same thing...even though that makes you a bad American.

Seriously smell the shit your are shovelling, wake up and notice the crud on your plate dude.

9/2/2011 4:21:34 AM

The Watcher

You're a sick, sick hypocrite Bryan.

9/2/2011 4:31:20 AM

Doctor Whom

Allah tells him to slay the idolaters wherever you find them.

So does the OT God.

9/2/2011 4:36:03 AM

thelivingguano

Your argument does not follow. Please provide further reasoning. Actually, just any reasoning at all would be an improvement.

9/2/2011 4:40:29 AM

Yama

I hate how you guys try to make a equivalence between Christianity and Islam. Yes Christianity is fucked up, but why can't you see Islam is more? What religion will kill people over fucking cartoons? What religion will issue death threats to novelists? Some things are black and white, novelists don't deserve death threats because they wrote and book.(Stephanie Meyers excepted :P). Yes there are Christian terrorists and abortion bombers, but there a tons more Islamic terrorists. Stop trying to equate things that are not equal.
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9/2/2011 4:55:00 AM

Dan Onymous

@ Yama


So you think it's OK to claim the moral high ground just because you are standing on a slightly smaller pile of corpses...?

9/2/2011 5:03:49 AM

thelivingguano

Yama. Have you taken a look at the current situation vis a vis gay rights in Uganda and its neighbours? The Anglican Church there are quite happily encouraging the wholesale lynching of homosexuals.

The paradigm of "Islam-as-terrorist-ideology" has only existed in the public domain for a few decades at most. Prior to that, in the US at least, the worry was much more about far-right Christian militias.

Any faith system is going to have its fringe nutcases who will use violence to attempt to enforce their worldview on others. In the UK, both Christian and Sikh extremists have issued death threats to artists perceived as insulting their faiths (Stewart Lee for "Jerry Springer: The Opera and Gupreet Kaur Bhatti for "Behzti" respectively).

And to be fair, most of the set-up funding for early jihadist movements in the middle east in the 80s came from - you guessed it - the good ole U S of A.

9/2/2011 5:06:26 AM

Kulgur

"It's not to Jesus Christ"

Jesus is one of the most important prophets in Islam. So a Muslim DOES have devotion to Jesus. You fail religious knowledge as well.

9/2/2011 5:06:52 AM

Mudak

@Dan Onymous, I'm not sure the Islamic pile of corpses is bigger than the Christian one. It might only seem bigger because there are more fatwas today than comparable Christian pronouncements.

For the record -- and I recognize that I may be in the minority when I say this -- I consider Christianity to be worse than Islam. If the Muslim wants to kill me for my heresy, the Christian would hound me to no end for that same slight. I prefer death.

9/2/2011 5:17:36 AM

dionysus

Nearly half of Muslims in the US say that they think of themselves first as Muslims rather than Americans. Now that's a problem. It's not a problem when a Christian says that.

Wow. I've never seen hypocrisy displayed so completely naked and yet unashamed. Most people at least try to hide it as much as they can but you've put it in the middle of the street on a podium, every horrific detail fully exposed and actively flaunted.

9/2/2011 5:31:28 AM

Mister Spak

"Nearly half of Muslims in the US say that they think of themselves first as Muslims rather than Americans. Now that's a problem."

But it's not a problem when a christian says

""I am a Christian first and an American second," that's what we all ought to say. Our ultimate allegiance is not to country, not to the Constitution, it's to God and the the Scripture. If you have to make a choice between the two, we must obey God rather than man. "

The christian will then demand that Sumerian creation myth be taught in science class, and these science graduates will design our nuclear weapons.
So the more devout a christian gets, the more of a threat he becomes to Americas nation security.

9/2/2011 5:36:22 AM

Selkie

In a word: Horseshit.

I think of myself as a citizen of the earth first, an American second, and religious not at all, I can't relate this this malarkey.

9/2/2011 5:41:04 AM

Firewing

@Mudak

I sense envy in that regard. They want to kill people for their heresy just like old times, when they see Muslims doing it. As theliviingguano says, look at what's going on in Uganda, where their influence is much more uninhibited than in the US (shocking, yes).

9/2/2011 5:44:59 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Wow, this is... this is special pleading of the highest caliber. I am literally shocked that anyone could be so stupid. People like Timothy McVeigh called themselves Christians first and Americans second, and you know how that turned out...

9/2/2011 5:45:29 AM

Meishayuri

Pot calling the Kettle black...

Pot: "Bismillah. You're black."
Kettle: "Yes, but I am a sleeker, shinier black than you are, praise Jesus!"

9/2/2011 5:47:39 AM

SeekerLancer

It's okay to take your god before country but it's not okay for them?

Right... if you want to call them a traitor then you need to accept you're just as much of one.

9/2/2011 5:55:49 AM

DevilsChaplain


9/2/2011 5:57:44 AM

Head of the conspiracy

Christian traditions and Muslim traditions are almost identical, once you get past the naming differences.

9/2/2011 6:00:12 AM

Gawd


Meh. More Christian doublethink.

9/2/2011 6:02:28 AM

breakerslion

Reminds me of the scene in the movie, The Ruling Class, where Dr. Herder throws two loonies who think they're Jesus Christ in a room together.

9/2/2011 6:17:01 AM

capello moderno

It's the Bryan Fizzuh kind o' people that makes the rest of the world really wary about the US.

Fundie Christian American --> better, more FERVENT patriotic American --> willing do to whatever the fuk it takes in a black/white worldview of US = the best (in every imaginable way regardless of any hypothetical evidence to the contrary on any single count) vs. the rest?

..and the flag, the flag, the ol' dirty flag


9/2/2011 6:18:49 AM



The Christian tradition you follow Bryan encourages us to think that not all men are created equal. Your bigotry is ample evidence thereof. What part of "some people are more equal than others" jibes well with the legally recognised American values of free speech, equality under law and freedom of religion?


9/2/2011 6:19:48 AM

farpadokly

Some real skillful mental gymnastics and self-persuasion here to get over the cognitive dissonance that inevitably comes from being a complete fucking hypocrite.
His conclusion doesn't follow at all from his premise. It is part of the Abrahamic tradition, and in a sense it is "Judaeo-Christian", in that it was influenced by both Judaism and Christianity.
Why can't people see that the Abrahamic tradition itself is inherently oppressive and violent? Especially Islam and Christianity, which, unlike Judaism, make claims to universality.

9/2/2011 6:28:30 AM

capello moderno

It's the Bryan Fizzuh kind o' people that makes the rest of the world really wary about the US.

Fundie Christian American --> better, more FERVENT patriotic American --> willing do to whatever the fuk it takes in a black/white worldview of US = the best (in every imaginable way regardless of any hypothetical evidence to the contrary on any single count) vs. the rest?

..and the flag, the flag, the ol' dirty flag


9/2/2011 6:31:23 AM
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