There is no minimum marriage age for either men or women in Islamic law. The law in many countries permits girls to marry only from the age of 18. This is arbitrary legislation, not Islamic law. Why? Because there might be cases in which it is impossible to keep the girl [single] until the age of maturity. [...] In some Islamic countries, the age of maturity can be 8 or 10 years. In Yemen, a girl might get her period at the age of 8. In cold countries, such as Russia, Belarus, Scandinavia, New Zealand, Canada, and so on, a girl might not reach maturity until she is 22 years old. She might not get her period until then.
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Takes a fundie to find some way to twist words so he can diddle a young child.
This 'age of maturity' being so delayed in cold countries is such a crock of shit. You will say anything to justify child rape.
"This is arbitrary legislation, not Islamic law."
Not really that arbitrary. 18 is the age where complications due to childbirth become minimal, and the age at which both males and females are, on average, deemed to be mature enough to make their decisions regarding sexuality (and to basically be smart enough to not be exploited by men who want to marry 8 to 10 year old girls).
Basically, just because they can bear children doesn't mean that they should, and just because Islamic law does not forbid you from having sex with whomever you please does not give you the freedom to do so in countries where the secular law says otherwise.
One of my family members was raped when she was 8.
Is that old enough to stone her for sexual impurity as well, according to your religion? Just asking.
Ah, the old "If it's old enough to bleed, it's old enough to breed" argument.
Well, just because something is technically possible doesn't make it right.
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And I would tend to agree with you, but as you are obviously unable to see that your statement mega-sucks for little girls that are emotionally not quite ready for married live yet (and won't be for some years)...
BTW, As a real Dutchman I'm willing to compromise, cutting of your balls will be fine by me too, provided its done with two bricks and without anesthetic.
It's true that temperatures affect average age of first menstration, not going to lie about that one. In the US, southern girls average about a year earlier than girls in the north.
I doubt the extremes of 8 to 22 as "typical" though I know there is s wide range.
Even if that kind of range were typical, and all the girls in Saudi Arabia or whatever fucked up country he's living in are biologically women, they are not mentally women. They're 3rd graders. And old men need to back the fuck off of 3rd graders.
You're one sick fucker.
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He is right about temperature affecting menstruation but his range is way off.
The only reason Islamic law lets girls get married before puberty is just another way to control women. The earlier they get married, the less time they have to develop critical thinking skills and learn to think for themselves.
How to view women from an Islamic perspective:
1) Picture a set of hovering ovaries.
2) Mentally add in all the other body parts as a support system for those ovaries.
3) Beat the casing that the ovaries are wrapped in for learning to read.
4) Praise Allah.
Pedophilia for Allah?
Disgusting.
I don't care if a girl gets her period when she's 2. She's still a child, and as a child, she has no business giving birth to one. She has no business being married off to a disgusting, perverted freak who is old enough to be her father or grandfather. She has no business being forced to undergo the trials and practices of adulthood when she should be enjoying her childhood instead. Get a life, you revolting pedophile.
Temperature has nothing to do with sexual maturity.
old enough to bleed does not mean she's old enough to breed.
Responsible dog breeders don't even breed on the first season. In some breeds not until the female is 2-3 years old. But of course, human women aren't worth as much as a dog in your eyes are they.
@ Blayze Kohime Here's a link
The fellow isn't as mad as he sounds; the marrying after the age of 18 only is fairly arbitrary, but 8? Come on, that's sick. There's no way you could call a girl of 8 marrying, even if she agrees, "consented". I'd personally place the absolute youngest age at abou 13 or 14, a fair age as to when people can make rational decisions regarding their life
The only reason Islamic law lets girls get married before puberty is just another way to control women.
Close, but not quite. There's also a lot of money involved.
Actually, physically and naturally, anyone who's had their period or first wet dreams IS an adult. Still, that doesn't mean they should be pumping out kids yet...
A girl might not get her period until late in life, yes. But in Canada, regardless, she is an adult at eighteen.
Nevermind the fact that a 10 year old's hips aren't even wide enough yet to carry a child...
I saw a special on PBS where these African girls were getting pregnant, and their insides got fucked up and their vaginas got ripped open when they gave birth, so much so that they just a gaping wound down there that wouldn't heal, and got infected because sometimes the anus was ruptured as well.
I was sickened when I saw it, and am sickened again with this.
I'm sorry, you're a Doctor? Not like an Md, right, but like Dr. Hovind? An Islamic one. That makes more sense.
*cough* New Zealand? We've got nothing in terms of coldness to those countries. And, so far as I can tell, our girls are sexually mature long before 22. Not that that matters, he's using untruths to justify paedophilia.
and ...so much for Islamic scientific knowledge...easily as dumn as American Fundies.
P,S
now they develop younger, not because it got warmer, because they eat better than my generation did.
And you consider that law arbitrary?, speak for yourself, who are unable to say at which time the girl is "mature"(and in one case, you're blatantly lying). And by the way, that they're PHYSICALLY ABLE to have children, doesn't mean that they're ready for. And please, don't cite Yemen as example, where 71% of the women are illiterate and their life expectancy is under 45, with one of the highest death by labour rate in the world.
By "Dr" they mean exactly the same as Kent Hovind means, that they have achieved to be learned in the islamic law, that is, to the level of a 15 years old kid. With this guy I would make an exception. He comes from Iraq and he comes from some obscure islamic school whose teacher barely know to read and write. In poor countries, people are unfortunately this stupid, it's not exactly as Kent Hovind.
I hate your religion now. Congratulations.
FOADIAF, you useless, fucking waste of oxygen!
"Dr." my ass.
Fucking paedophile.
Menarche has nothing to do with sexual maturity. Now days because of better nutrition, menarche begins a bit earlier than around the time these Islamic laws were written. That doesn't mean girls have also matured in other ways, physiologically or psychologically. Just having some blood from the vagina is not a free pass to underage sex. Sometimes newborn babies bleed from the vagina because of their mother's hormones, are they old enough for a sexual relationship? Hint: the answer is NO.
18 is not arbitrary, it is the legal of maturity for signing contracts (and voting, receiving benefits, drinking etc). Since marriage is a contract, it makes sense.
And to the poster who says that 13 and 14 year olds are old enough to get married- are you out of your freaking mind?
Does this guy even know where New Zealand is? I don't think he means New Zealand, it's not especially cold. Besides, if someone gets to about 16 without starting their period, they go to the doctor. 22? I think he is just pulling numbers out of his arse.
......New Zealand?! I know some kiwis. And guess what?
.....They got their periods at ten and eleven.
Not me, though.
.....mine was at eight and a half. Or nine. I forget which.
18 is entirely arbitrary, however it's not at all unreasonable for the legal marriage age. I wouldn't argue against 16 either, but 8? Sorry, that's fucking sick.
Is this guy a Muslim? If so, maybe he's unaware of the jurisprudence of Islamic Imams of Fiqh, like Maliki and Hanifa. They set minimum ages for marriage, granted, it was too young, but still. And how in the fuck does he come to the conclusion that New Zealand is a cold nation? There are free maps online, you know.
18 is not arbitrary, it is the legal of maturity for signing contracts (and voting, receiving benefits, drinking etc). Since marriage is a contract, it makes sense.
And 18 is an arbitrary age chosen for all of those, too. Why not 17? Why not 19? In fact, I believe the voting age should be 16 since a lot of 16 year olds are working and paying taxes, so they should have a say how their tax money is spent. If someone wants to get married before they are 18, I think they should be able to. It's sick that in the eyes of the law, a 5 year old and a 16 year old are the same.
However, the OP talking about 8 year olds being married off is very wrong.
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