Unfortunately the "medical field" believes that preganancy is when the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterine wall. They are WRONG!
Life begins at conception, when the sperm and egg first meet. A new life immediately begins to form. This life must have nutrition, which the mother supplies through her body. Without nutrition, the new life starves to death. Just like when a newborn is first born, the life is there, but it will not sustain itself, it must have nutrition. ANY life must have nutrition to live and grow. If I take away your food, you will cease to grow and live and you will die. If a baby is born and you neglect to give it food, it will die. If an egg and sperm unite to form a new life and you neglect to feed it, it will die.
The morning after pill makes the uterine wall so hostile to the embryo that it can't attach itself, therefore it starves to death. It would be the same as someone cutting the umbilical cord to the baby growing inside of a woman. The baby would die without the nutrition provided.
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Unfortunately the "medical field" believes that preganancy is when the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterine wall. They are WRONG!
And why are they wrong?
Life begins at conception, when the sperm and egg first meet. A new life immediately begins to form. This life must have nutrition
And where does it (the life) get nutrition?
which the mother supplies through her body.
Okay, I think that we are gtting somewhere. But how does the mother deliver the nutrition?
The morning after pill makes the uterine wall so hostile to the embryo that it can't attach itself, therefore it starves to death.
Okay, pregnancy starts at conception, not during the attachment to the uterus. But life needs food, otherwise it starves. You said so yourself.
But the food comes from the wall of the uterus, so before that it can obviously do without food, therefore according to your statement that life needs food, it isn't alive just yet.
And we might even add that, I believe (don't quote me on this), almost 50% of the fertilised eggs fail to get into the uterus because of natural causes. So that's an awful lot of murders.
Right after conception, huh? Does the soul enter at the same time? If so, when the egg splits into two, does that mean the identical twins that are formed only have half a soul each?
You assume that a fertilized egg and a newborn baby are the same thing? Uh, no. IT is NOT the same as cutting an umbilical cord in the womb you dolt. As was pointed out by Notme, many fertilized eggs are flushed from the body and do not attach (i don't know the number either, notme). Do you think that number is the same as nearly full term pregnancies? If so then why stop there? Life begins at orgasm! How 'bout life begins when the male and female get that twinkle in their eye?
Besides that, embryos don't attach themselves to uterine walls, zygotes do. Get your poop in a group before you blow your top.
No. The morning after pill is a high-dose birth control pill that fools the body into thinking it IS pregnant so that an egg IS NOT RELEASED AT ALL. In the event that an egg was released before taking the pill, it may be fertilized, but this is unlikely. In the event that the egg IS fertilized, it is a zygote, not an embryo, and it is not allowed to implant. If the zygote already implanted before the pill was taken, the pill does not affect the implanted zygote.
As you said, the medical field says it's not a pregnancy until the zygote implants. The medical experts have more say than you, sorry.
That user ID of yours is on par with "Cajun Pride". Not something to be vocally proud of, considering the stereotypes. It'll make it hard to be taken seriously. Hell, any ID with the word "Pride" in it is a bad idea.
Hold whatever opinions you want, so long as you don't try to legislate them.
Besides the fact, already mentioned, that many fertilized eggs get flushed out anyway...isn't there a bible verse that says that the life of the flesh is in the blood? Well, if so, then those fertilized eggs aren't even "biblically alive" yet, because blood cells don't form for a few weeks.
For all the fury of fundamentalists when it comes to the unborn (their term, not mine), their own Holy Book doesn't recognize the unborn as human. In fact, according to Numbers 3:15-16, infants less than a month old aren't considered persons.
You know, I'd have to rate this maybe a 3. This is actually one of the better formed arguments I've seen for recognizing an embryo as a life.
Do I agree with it 100%? No. But she's not saying that sperm or eggs *by themselves* are life - but she's got a point that once the two half-sets of DNA from the mother and the father have combined, the result is a living organism in its own right. One that is parasitic for the next 9 months, but still a distinct organism.
I've always thought that determining an exact moment at which an embryo or a fetus becomes a human life is a difficult question. I certainly think that at 8 months, where the baby could live outside the womb, it's a human baby, and that killing it without some medical justification is wrong. (Note: I believe the partial delivery abortion issue is a red-herring by politicians - that form of abortion is almost always used, as far as I know, when both the mother and the fetus will die unless the fetus is aborted).
I know some will disagree with me and we can agree to disagree.
"Unfortunately the "medical field" believes that preganancy is when the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterine wall. They are WRONG!"
And who are YOU to pontificate about medical matters?
"Life begins at conception, when the sperm and egg first meet. A new life immediately begins to form."
No, most sperm that "meet" the egg can't get through into the cell.
Also, that "life begins at conception" is only your assertion.
"This life must have nutrition, which the mother supplies through her body. Without nutrition, the new life starves to death."
Nutrition it gets when it implants on the uterine wall, you know, when pregnancy begins.
"Just like when a newborn is first born, the life is there, but it will not sustain itself, it must have nutrition."
Duh. Thanks for the nursery school level biology lesson.
"ANY life must have nutrition to live and grow."
Yes, you've made that utterly simple point already.
"If I take away your food, you will cease to grow and live and you will die."
Jeez! Move it along, shitwit. We all understand that point.
"If a baby is born and you neglect to give it food, it will die."
See above.
"If an egg and sperm unite to form a new life and you neglect to feed it, it will die."
Uh huh.
"The morning after pill makes the uterine wall so hostile to the embryo that it can't attach itself, therefore it starves to death."
Most fertilized eggs do not implant. This is a natural process, it happens all the time. The morning after pill helps assure that the egg will not BE fertilized and the egg will be passed out of the body.
"It would be the same as someone cutting the umbilical cord to the baby growing inside of a woman."
No, it wouldn't. A fertilized egg that hasn't even implanted is not a baby, or a fetus, or an embryo.
"The baby would die without the nutrition provided."
No, that baby would die first from lack of oxygen.
"I certainly think that at 8 months, where the baby could live outside the womb, it's a human
baby,"
That would be relevent, if Plan B ends a pregnancy at 8 months.
It would also be relevent is these dopes cared about medica reality.
The medical jargon is only for the benefit of those who aren't
satisfied by the clear word of the One True God.
In reality, they think god puts the soul in the fertilised egg, and its that,
not any DNA configuration, that makes murder possible.
Redhunter writes:
"Besides that, embryos don't attach themselves to uterine walls, zygotes do."
A zygote is the term used when the egg is first fertilized, when the new life is one cell. As soon as the cell divides into two cells it is known as an embryo, up until around 8 weeks, then the term is "fetus." Implanatation happens well after the zygote stage. It is an "embryo" that attaches to the uterine wall, not a "zygote."
Kat writes:
"The morning after pill does not affect an already fertilized egg; it stops the egg from becoming fertilized. It’s just another form of birth control. Idiot."
The morning after pill does three things. It tries to make the body "think" it's pregnant, so that the ovary doesn't release an egg. It also thickens the mucus so that the sperm has a hard time reaching the egg.
If that fails and the egg is released and fertilized, then the pill has also changed the environment of the uterus so that if the egg gets fertilized, it cannot attach to the uterine wall.
Since there is a failure rate among birth control pills and the morning after pill, then there has to be a point where the pills are affecting a fertilized egg by not allowing it to attach to the uterine wall.
and yet i bet this person isn't a vegetarian...
Even if he/she was, plant material is still LIFE, OH NOES, MURDERERERER!
An individual sperm and egg are forms of life, yet it isn't murder when you allow your period to come each month instead of getting pregnant, or when you ejaculate and kill all those sperm (keeping in mind how any die even when one meets the egg).
Unfortunately the "medical field" believes that preganancy is when the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterine wall. They are WRONG!
Yes, we all know that the experts are wrong when they disagree with you.
Life begins at conception, when the sperm and egg first meet.
No, the sperm and egg cells are alive before they meet.
A new life immediately begins to form.
Well, yes; I agree here. The unfertilized egg and the sperm cell were both alive, but a new life is formed when they join.
This life must have nutrition, which the mother supplies through her body.
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Without nutrition, the new life starves to death.
Without nutrition, any life starves to death. This is why egg cells die when they're flushed out of the body.
Just like when a newborn is first born, the life is there, but it will not sustain itself, it must have nutrition. ANY life must have nutrition to live and grow. If I take away your food, you will cease to grow and live and you will die. If a baby is born and you neglect to give it food, it will die.
Wow! You went on with that for quite awhile! You're not Captain Obvious, you must be Admiral Obvious or something.
If an egg and sperm unite to form a new life and you neglect to feed it, it will die.
If you ejaculate, many sperm will die. In fact, the death of those poor innocent gametes will far outweigh the fact that the egg will be fertilized, and thus might not be destroyed. Forget worrying about abortion! Ban reproduction!
Incidentally, if the embryo implants, it will feed off of the mother whether she wants it to or not. An embryo is a parasite; it doesn't ask for permission.
The morning after pill makes the uterine wall so hostile to the embryo that it can't attach itself, therefore it starves to death.
Actually, it prevents fertilization in the first place. Of course, you declared that the entire medical field is wrong, so this level of ignorance is not surprising.
It would be the same as someone cutting the umbilical cord to the baby growing inside of a woman. The baby would die without the nutrition provided.
No it wouldn't.
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