Let's put it like this: Name one primarily atheistic society in history which has #1 not experience any mass killings in the past few decades and #2 is reproducing on a replacement level.
This is because atheists are either selfish pleasure seekers and/or murderers.
Arguing atheists possess some level of altruism is like arguing that Islam is the "religion of peace".
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There has never been a primarily atheistic society in history. Even the USSR wasn't predominantly atheist according to historians who have studied it.
Also, Albert Einstein. You lose.
Scandinavian countries. Denmark, Sweden especially, and Norway. These all have primarily atheistic societies and are also considered to be the happiest, most stable places on earth. Next question?
>>#1 not experienced any mass killings in the past few decades<<
That's an unrealistic standard if I've ever seen one.
As J. James notes, Scandinavia is arguably the least religious part of the world. They have of course had some mass killings (Breivik comes to mind). But the rate of violence in those countries is quite low in comparison to almost anywhere else - Western Europe has about 1/4 the homicide rate of the US and Japan is about the same as Europe. I suspect this is due more to the relative lack of guns than to religion, but the rate is what matters, not that Scandinavia is not a perfect place to live.
Name one theocracy which has not experience any mass killings in the past few decades.
"Arguing atheists possess some level of altruism is like arguing that Islam is the 'religion of peace.'"
So, Carnegie donating all those public libraries was selfish pleasure seeking or was it murder?
"reproducing on a replacement level"
Arguing atheists possess some level of altruism
Ah, the typical false causality flaw.
In my experience a person's level of altruism has little or nothing to do with his level or religiosity or lack thereof.
Very religious people can be total and utter assholes, just like some atheists can, and atheists can be righteous and charitable, just like some religious people.
As of yet, when viewed objectively and without prejudice, I have failed to see any correlation one way or the other.
Let's see... Sweden? I'd say Norway, were it not for the atrocious mass-murder committed there by a devout Christian last year.
Oh, and if by mass murder you specifically mean genocide, I would like to point out that European nations, on an individual basis, stop committing genocide ONLY when the majority of people in them become atheists. (The USSR viewed Stalin as a god; therefore was not atheist.)
and #2 is reproducing on a replacement level.
You really think any country in the world is suffering from population decrease? With 7 billion people in the world, I don't think we're in any danger of going extinct.
This is because atheists are either selfish pleasure seekers and/or murderers.
Yeah, better watch out or we're coming to get you. Ooga booga!
Sweden is fairly atheistic and I can't remember any mass killings since Ådalen 1931, when we weren't nearly as atheistic as we are today. (I personally don't remember Ådalen, of course. I just remember learning about it in History class.)
I think we're about 1.8 children per woman. Almost replacement level, but not quite. But, thanks to immigration, our population is growing a little bit each year.
I try to live after utilitarianism; maximum amount of happiness to the largest possible amount of people. That doesn't always include me. But if people around me are happy, I feel good too. Even if that means me working on a Saturday, so my colleague can go to a wedding party. Isn't that "possessing some level of altruism"?
People are arguing that both Islam, Judaism and Christianity are the religions of peace. They all say "Thou shalt not kill", ya know. One often forgets the "...unless I, thy God, tell you to", that soon follows in all three holy books. Looking at them from outside, it's very obvious that they come from the same source. Maybe God wasn't happy with the way people interpreted His words, so he tried again, but he still wasn't happy and tried for a third time...
Go fuck yourself, you stalking, jizz-yodeling cum-dumpster piece of shit. Norway, Sweden, and Japan, bitch. Now go shoot yourself.
"Name one primarily atheistic society in history which has #1 not experience any mass killings in the past few decades"
Sweden, Japan, Norway, Iceland, why do you ask?
"and #2 is reproducing on a replacement level"
"This is because atheists are either selfish pleasure seekers and/or murderers."
Wrong.
"Arguing atheists possess some level of altruism is like arguing that Islam is the 'religion of peace'."
No more than Christianity and Judaism.
Albania, Australia, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden, and Switzerland?
France. If you take out the replacement fertility requirement, France, Sweden, Japan and perhaps a few others.
Edit: as opposed to, say, Israel?
Officially atheistic societies are undesirable, just like theocracies are (they just happen to be theocracies I agree with).
Societies with a significant or prevalent non-religious population include the UK, France, the Netherlands, most of the Nordic countries, the Czech Republic, Japan, both Koreas, both Chinas, Australia, New Zealand, Canada.
Secular countries include most civilized countries - the USA too - and most forcefully France and Turkey. All three of them have replacement fertility.
"Let's put it like this: ..."
... (Statement follows regaling all and sundry with personal rancid delusions of the utmost dribbling lunacy that he pretends is reality).
Er,.. well put sir. Sigh. Such a sunny disposition.
So, a theistic society should be a, not given to mass killings. b, reproducing on a replacement level. c, not selfish pleasure seekers. d, not murderers. e, altruistic.
> Name one primarily atheistic society in history which has #1 not experience any mass killings in the past few decades and #2 is reproducing on a replacement level.
Name one society where theists have been present and have invariably succeeded in preventing mass killings.
Okay, atheist endeavours may not have been that successful in stopping all those wars that are raging in Africa. Why aren't missionaries succeeding in stopping them either? They get sent there by boatloads. Why haven't they instilled a culture of peace and stability?
And most importantly, why the heck is the middle eastern region such a powder keg with gigantic disputes still brewing there? Why are the Israel and Palestine still pointing fingers at each other? You'd think that the holiest ground of major religions would be stable and prosperous, but that doesn't seem to be the case!
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All countries were atheism or agnosticism is more common than your clownshoes religion that have been fairly good at avoiding mass killings these last few decades.
"Let's put it like this: Name one primarily atheistic society in history which has #1 not experience any mass killings in the past few decades and #2 is reproducing on a replacement level."
Holland. You fail. Next question.
Arguing fundies possess some level of altruism is like arguing that Christianity is the 'religion of peace '
As has been noted one or two times earlier, we could probably USE going below replacement level for a time (keeping to one child per family when possible--that is, barring multiples--would help). Or are you worried about population greying?
I heard Norway actually IS a Christian nation.
Either way, this dolt, like everyone else mentioned, is either willfully ignorant or never heard of Sweden.
"This is because atheists are either selfish pleasure seekers and/or murderers."
False. We just don't need an imaginary buddy to keep us from being rapists and murderers. I know of several atheists (myself included) who volunteer, donate to charity, recycle/conserve resources, adopt kids and animals, and even hold a door open for someone now and then.
In fact, I'd say that in my experience, atheists are among the LEAST selfish people you will come across. As far as seeking pleasure... nothing wrong with that as long as it isn't at the expense of others.
To those saying Australia, I'm sorry to report that we're still only 22% non religious, so we're still a long way away from meeting those requirements, but we're working on it!
Let's see
France- 33% atheist by Eurobarometer poll, .5% increase in population
Altruism:
@Skatepunk
I heard Norway actually IS a Christian nation.
My understanding of it is that they are officially a Christian nation, but not necessarily a nation of Christians.
So tell me, syphilitic morons of std.com, why should I believe in the magic evolution fairy? Why not the FSM?
ROTFLMAO!!!
I love this site. What a hoot!
It turns out JP is a troll, and not even an amusing or interesting one.
EDIT:
I guess it's a problem if I dish out ridicule instead of just being the object of it.
So, syphilites of std.com, how many racial inferiors or enemies of the people have you murdered today? Slacking off perhaps, thanks to theistic police officers?
@Nagol
Yet jF demands a 'proper discussion', when he never answers our questions/charges against his own 'beliefs'. Nope, no hypocrisy on his part, nosirree.
We have given answers to his questions, even giving proof (although he refuses to live on Planet Reality like the rest of everyone else; his standard reply being in effect 'LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!', with fingers in his ears).
Thus his being reduced to ignoring our questions/charges against his unjustifiable so-called 'beliefs' which can never give us the answers we need, to OUR satisfaction. Because jF would then have to do a Jonathan Edwards, and recant his unjustifiable religion, and become an Atheist.
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