(Former Senator Rick Santorum, who is known for his right-wing religious views.)
Is anyone saying same-sex couples can't love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-in-law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too? Marriage is and always has been more than the acknowledgment of the love between two people.
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First off, yes there are people saying gay people can't actually feel love.
I also find it surprising that you'd equate the love you have for your mother, brother, and children to the love that two guys feel when they're deep in the throws of anal sex, but that may just be me not wanting to think of my mother/brother/(nonexistent)children in that sort of situation.
non sequiteur strawman
When you're losing the arguement change the criteria and confuse the issue.
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If not, these are some of the things marriage confers. That's why lesbians and gays want it, to protect themselves and their partners from interference from "the family"
Typical fundie trying to mangle his understanding of love and marriage to deny equal rights and benefits to those whom are different then him.
Another gem from that op-ed, "Look at Norway. It began allowing same-sex marriage in the 1990s. In just the last decade, its heterosexual-marriage rates have nose-dived and its out-of-wedlock birthrate skyrocketed to 80 percent for firstborn children. Too bad for those kids who probably won't have a dad around, but we can't let the welfare of children stand in the way of social affirmation, can we?"
To bad he offers no evidence that the latter was caused by the former.
"Marriage is and always has been more than the acknowledgment of the love between two people. "
Yes, it includes a marriage licence. Add that and you have a marriage.
Marriage is and always has been more than the acknowledgment of the love between two people.
It's more than that? Ha! It's not even that for many straight people who get married. People get hitched all the time without love. Often because they are drunk and in Vegas. Yet they are afforded the right to get married for no other reason then they felt like it while gay couples, even those who are romantically in love with each other, cannot. You have all these requirements for what marriage should be in your head, but yet you're not lobbying to make restrictions for who can get married regardless of sexual preference. Oh no, you're just using them as lame justifications to keep "the gays" from having the same rights as anyone else. Go fuck yourself.
Another gem from that op-ed, "Look at Norway. It began allowing same-sex marriage in the 1990s. In just the last decade, its heterosexual-marriage rates have nose-dived and its out-of-wedlock birthrate skyrocketed to 80 percent for firstborn children. Too bad for those kids who probably won't have a dad around, but we can't let the welfare of children stand in the way of social affirmation, can we?"
Dicky "Frothy Mixture" Santorum also leaves out all the heterosexuals who have chosen Civil Unions instead of Marriage from those statistics.
Marriage is and always has been more than the acknowledgment of the love between two people.
And that's exactly the point. From the state's point of view, marriage is an enforcible contract that includes numerous financial and legal rights. Love isn't even required. If the church wants to include other requirements in order to sanction the marriage in the eyes of God, that's their right. Nobody is suggesting that Santorum's religion has to sanction same-sex marriage.
For the record, Norway did not begin "allowing same-sex marriage in the 1990s". Civil union, sure, but not marriage.
I also have a feeling that we Norwegians know more about welfare than Rick Santorum ever will.
Ever occur to you that the love for children, friends, and family is not the same thing as love for a sexual partner? If you think that it is, and that your argument is anything more than equivocation, you need to be locked up for incest and pedophilia.
This is where the limited number of expressions in English for the topic becomes a problem.
In Norwegian, "I love you" in the sense of love against your partner in life, is called "Jeg elsker deg" while if you would tell your family you love them, you would say "Jeg er glad i..." The two expressions here are "elsker" (love as in love your partner and "glad i" meaning I love my family as an example.
With such different expressions, there are never any doubts about what you actually mean. English is lacking any good equivalents.
Marriage is and always has been more than the acknowledgment of the love between two people.
Question: why did you marry your wife Santorum?
Answer: because you were in love with her. End of debate.
Rick, I sure hope you don't love your children and mother-in-law in the same way a couple (hetero or homo) loves each other, cuz otherwise you'd need a good beating and some jail time.
Oh, and one more thing, Santorum: Suck my scrote.
Marriage is indeed more than the acknowledgement of the love between two people. It's the intention of spending your lives together, of sharing a bed and having sex with each other.
Ricky, I hope you don't want to share a bed with your children, your friends, your brother or your mother-in-law.
There are platonic marriages too, sure. People who love each other and want to spend their lives together, without the sex part.
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