Raza #fundie

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[about a report that Saudi Arabia has sentenced a 'Witch' to the death penalty]

Believe it or not, witchcraft is a serious problem in Pakistan; I believe in them completely and I think that they should be punished like this.
These types of cruel punishments have the biggest deterrence than any other punishment.

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old comment by David D.G.

"Believe it or not, witchcraft is a serious problem in Pakistan..."

No, the fact that anyone even believes witchcraft exists is a serious problem in Pakistan -- and Saudi Arabia, and South Africa, and anywhere else they are still believed, on an official level, to exist.

"...I believe in them completely and I think that they should be punished like this. These types of cruel punishments have the biggest deterrence than any other punishment."

First, deterrence by such means DOES NOT WORK. It has never worked, or crime would have disappeared during the time of the Romans, when the most inventively cruel punishments were devised and widely implemented. It flourished instead.

Second, you are talking about "deterring" people from committing a "crime" that DOES NOT EXIST. Sure, it's on the books, but in the present case, it isn't even defined, much less shown to exist. Punishing people for such a crime is ridiculous, because they cannot possibly have committed it; deterring others from committing it is equally ridiculous, because it would be impossible for them ever to commit it.

How, in the 21st century, can so many supposedly grown-up people in this world still believe in freakin' MAGIC?!?

~David D.G.

old comment by David D.G.

Septic Sceptic wrote:

<< The woman's alleged piece of witchery was making a man impotent. That's a pretty crap witch by anybody's standard. If she was flying around hurling fireballs at people and eating babies, then yeah, kill the witch. But sabotaging a man's erection? That's no reason for the penal system to get so firm with her. >>

Considering the topic under discussion, that's either a brilliant bit of wordplay or a rather major Freudian slip.

EDIT: Drat, WMDKitty managed to post that observation first!

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Regarding the O.P. again, a "Marching Proudly Into The 12th Century" Award sounds about right to me. The persistent superstition, the denial of physical evidences, the reading of bizarre religious significance and interpretations into everything, and the general magical thinking of fundies (of virtually all religions) seems stuck at about that era. These people watch television and fly on jets, but their minds still perceive the world only by torchlight.

~David D.G.

old comment by Dread Pirate Crotchbeard

Hey, JoJo, you object of unintentional comedy, you, why don't you troll threads like this? Ain't witchcraft against the word of Gawd, just like homosexuality? Where's the "Witches die and go to hell!" post over and over? Why aren't you screaming for suspected witches to be burned at the stake? Or are two guys buttfucking somehow weighted differently In JoJo's Tardworld than all those other sins like witchcraft and murder? So if I get my pole smoked in an alley behind a bar in San Francisco by some drunk guy I met an hour ago, that's just terrible and I need a bullet, but if I want to strip naked and worship the moon goddess peacefully, that must be a-okay, right? I'm just trying to decide if I want to go gay or if I want to go wiccan, and I need to know which one is worse. Ah hell, maybe I'll just do them both. While I'm at it, I'll learn to do abortions so I can do all three at the same time! :D

old comment by SweetViolet

Wait a minit...she was accued of being a witch because some guy couldn't get hard? Ummm...this is a society that covers the women's faces and is extremely repressive where sex is concerned...

Sounds to me like it was her husband made the accusation (who else possibly could??) and there is likely a wealth of undisclosed baggage behind this. Anywhere from he wants to dispose of the wife (and his manhood functions just fine with the younger wives) to he's got some kind of physiological problem (diabetes, mebbe?) to he's just getting old and the plumbing just doesn't work as well as it used to.

But I cannot think of ANYONE who could make this particular complaint against her except her husband, which sheds a whole new light on this.

old comment by SweetViolet

The OP referenced Pakistan. Saudi is even worse. The women not only must be fully covered, they cannot even be seen in public with a man who is not a close relative. They aren't even allowed to drive!

My ex used to do business in Saudi and after one of their marketing execs (a woman) was almost arrested by the religious police for prostitution because she was alone in a hotel room with two men, neither of them her close relative (never mind they were all clothed and had business papers spread out all over the bed, table and floor), his company stopped sending female employees to Saudi for fear that one day they might not get one of them back.

Any Saudi woman who is accused of having hexed some dude's apparatus can only be accused by her husband or a close male relative. It is unlikely that a brother or brother-in-law will admit to having had lustful thoughts about some relative's wife, so again, it comes down to the husband most likely being the accuser.

old comment by Illuminatalie

Keep reading the thread, it gets better (or actually, worse). This is not a poe, this is someone very convinced witches exist.

"In 2005 in Pakistan, my family went with someone to see if these people who pratice witchcraft are real. We went to a room filled with about 50 old women with only one men in a huge room, they surrounded him and were asking their favors to him about punishmening others because of jealously, revenge etc...

They wouldn't come back if it didn't exist."

"If you were to find eye of newt or cut bat wings and other unusual materials in her home, and also one of her "clients" came foward about her witchcraft, I'd say that's beyond a reasonable doubt."

"I met this person who is a Muslim US citizen who has a Masters degree in Chemistry actually performed a exorcism. These are not ill-educated and not gullible. My dad is a Pharmacist. My brother-in-law is a medical student. They all witness this, and I don't think they would lie to entertain us."

This is the reality of what people believe in those backwards countries. They come here as doctors and scientists, and some still have these beliefs. Soo.. the best defense against these people is bats' wings. Display them prominently, along with garlic cloves to drive off the vampires.

old comment by John_in_Oz

I quote from:
http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/fija/2008/02/16/witchcraft-in-saudi-arabia

Witchcraft in Saudi Arabia
Guilty or not?
Posted February 16th, 2008 by fija
Fawza Falih Muhammad Ali is becoming world famous for being accused of witchery in Saudi Arabia. This crime is punishable by beheading. International human rights groups have universally expressed outrage -- but perhaps too quickly. Could it be that Ali is truly a witch? Let's put her guilt or innocence to an American level test... employ the US government to waterboard Ali for a couple of hours and let the world see if she confesses to being a witch. Then, we will all be able to rest easy knowing we have obtained the real truth.
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On a more pragmatic note:
I feel that even magic believers would accept that the impotence was caused by nature rather than witchcraft if it responds to Viagra. Who should we speak to to encourage Saudi authorities to put it to that test?

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