[RE: Attacks force churches to boost security]
[Dawkins, Dennett, Harris & Hitchens] have made it clear they think the world would be a better place if there were no religious belief, and quite frankly that can’t happen as long as we are still alive – so for those who might already have a beef against Christians, or a mental predilection to this sort of violence, Dawkins et. al. provide a rationale for taking the actions they do.
In short, if one is looking for a justification to kill Christians, what need go no further than either the God Delusion or God is not Great.
Dawkins and his cohorts, in his own language, have popularized the meme of the fundamental evil of religious belief, and as much as they have, they play a part providing a framework for such acts of violence to take place.
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And.... religion has made the world better how? How many people have died for their religion? How many people were murdered because of religion?
If you want violence, look to thine own religion first, dumb ass, and pick an era. Any one will do.
By calling the fundamental evil of religious belief a meme, it loses its meme status.
But just maaaaaybe the fundamental evil of religious belief is not a meme is a meme.
I think I'm gonna take a break from FSTDT for a while. I don't mind porn, hell, love it, but not here.
This AMPM guy is just too way over the top. I don't argue with his right to free speech, but this is not a porn site. I don't mind porn, but his rantings are not even porn, just stupid nonsensical drivel. I don't doubt that he is a fundie with an ax to grind. What gets me, is I challenged someone's views on a fundie site and got banned.
Hitchens is an asshole, sure, but they are entitled to their beliefs, even if they happen to be different from yours.
It's funny that atheists and the non-orthodox religious are the only ones who appear to understand this.
The thesis of the book is, indeed, that violence is not necessary for ending Christianity, because, after all, it will fall down on its own. Are you sure you read it ok?
lemme get this straight.
Because they point out religions tend to be pretty fucking heavy on the violence...
They're thus to blame?
... well, guess its my fucking fault the sky is blue then
I'm all for porn, but really that's not what i come here for. i could handle the stupid written porn, since it's easy enough to skip over, but can we stop it with the freaking pictures?
these authors write for erudite readers, not the trailer-trash end of the market.
However African bishops, fundie preachers, the pope etc tub-thump to ignorant (ie the untaught) about various things, tho' usually queers, thus facilitating gay-bashing and murder.
Who needs the protection more?
<<I'm all for porn, but really that's not what i come here for. i could handle the stupid written porn, since it's easy enough to skip over, but can we stop it with the freaking pictures?>>
If you're using Firefox, right-click on the picture and select "Block images from _____.com"
They neglect that they will eventually die. How droll.
In the meantime: RE: AMPM,
Re: Dawkins et al,
Religion is a problem now 1) Because of the creation of fundamentalist movements within each major Abrahamaic (if I'm allowed to make up words) monotheist doctrines. 2) The explosion of new and increasingly accurate models for our world and history which directly contradict a literal interpretation of those doctrines. 3) Worldwide interactions and clashes between these doctrines designed to convert followers, consolidate political power, and join people for the work of expelling rivals. Christianity not-so-much, but it still manages to do a reasonably good job of that, no?
Sorry, I just like to put my sophistry on display.
People go over from religiosity to atheism in droves, we don't have to kill anyone to lower the influence of religion in the world.
You haven't read those books, have you? They are all about reason and debate, not about killing people.
The fundamental evil of religious belief can be found in the Bible, the only thing Dawkins needs to do is to point it out to people who have never read the Bible.
To my knowledge, not a single church here in Sweden has been attacked by atheists. On the other hand, no abortion doctors have been murdered here either, as far as I know. Maybe Dawkins is right; a society with very little religious influence might be less violent...
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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