Presupposing an explanation to be necessary presupposes the falsity of Creationism. Creationism, once postulated, makes the request for this explanation unnecessary. That is the very point and purpose of Creationism: to kill any debate concerning why because "why" presupposes transmutation to be true and Creationism-ID to be false. The Creator wants to kill this debate so mankind can get on with studying the Bible and not animals.
Ray
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O.K.,
if the creator wants you to study the bible and not animals, do so. But then also don´t use the medical advances that came from studying animals (which involves all modern medicines, considering the fact that almost every new medicine requires animal tests and/or study of microorganisms).
The only thing you should use then should involve the medical techniques that were available to people in the medieval ages (well, most of this probably involves bloodletting and medical herbs)
Presuppposing goddiddit presupposes the falsity of reality. Goddiddit, once postulated, makes all thinking unnecessary. That is the very point and purpose of cretinism: to kill any notion that thinking is useful for anything because thinking presupposes obsrevable reality to be true and cretinist blithering to be false. Christianists want to kill all thinking so they can get on with making people believe absurdities so they will commit atrocities.
Fixed.
Dear Ray,
Just because thinking and using actual reasoning makes your head hurt, that doesn't mean you can pull the rest of us into your little fantasy world. To put this another way, you don't think, therefore we are justified in ignoring you.
Sincerely,
etc.
Wait ... so Creationism now not only denies evolution, it also denies transmutation?
The guys that run your local Breeder Reactor would like to have a word with you....
Do you speak with the creator often, Ray? Does he reply to you?
If so, then ask your doctor if Risperdal is right for you.
The Creator wants to kill this debate so mankind can get on with studying the Bible and not animals.
So, you are going to hunt your own food, pray to god that the food is not infected and that you will not get sick and when you do get sick, you will only use prayer to cure your illness, correct? Otherwise, you would succumb to "study animals" as most of modern day medicine and food comes from these studies.
And that sentence of yours should read:
Ray Martinez wants to kill this debate so the retards can get on with studying the Bible and not animals.
The Creator wants to kill this debate so mankind can get on with studying the Bible and not animals.
Then why doesn't he provide overwhelming evidence of his part in creation rather than sending whackadoos like yourself who lie through their teeth and discredit the idea even more?
Actually, by the standards of Ray Martinez, AKA Cold Foreign Object, this brain-mangling garbage is relatively close to sensible. No, really... He's usually a lot worse than this.
So, basically, one can propose something, not have to explain it, and it's automatically true? In what universe?
Also, which definition of transmutation are you using, and what does it have to do with creationism/evolutionary theory?
Presupposing an explanation to be necessary presupposes the falsity of Creationism.Creationism, once postulated, makes the request for this explanation unnecessary.
This sounds like an admission that creationism doesn't explain anything, and that you rather not have an explanation (also known as "LALALALALAIAMNOTHEARINGYOULALALALA").
In other words, "Don't question anything! Discovery, invention, and innovation are evil!" If humanity followed that advice we would have never left our caves.
Why do you say that mate? Actually, that was a rhetorical question. If the truth be known, I know the answer already.
Religion, particularly the fundamentalist kind, abhors knowledge that is generally known and widespread, preferring instead, that religion itself will be the sole dispenser of wisdom and knowledge, So that only religion has all the answers, and the masses must kow-tow to religious superiority. And, indeed, that attitude prevailed for centuries but is not now possible to maintain.
That is why so many fundamentalist simpletons parrot the ideas and thoughts of their religious superiors. For instance, they have a desire to go back to a time before it was easy to obtain information and knowledge and the church was the repository of all wisdom. Hence, they have a desire to see that education is not widespread or is limited in its efficacy.
A worship of stupidity and a fear of intelligence is the end result of a rabid desire to be above all questioning. Well I'm sorry to tell you my friend, but the days of being a servile nincompoop are gone. And religion, particularly fundamentalist religion, no longer calls the shots on what is wise and what needs to be known. Specially in light of the fact that religions have been shown to be immoral and unethical cults.
The Creator wants to kill this debate so mankind can get on with studying the Bible and not animals.
So why didn't the "creator" stop the Plague before it killed a third of Europe instead of making us invent streptomycin? If He isn't going to do the job Himself, He should just get the hell out of our way and let us get on with it.
Somebody failed introductory philosophy and logic. Using big words in a half-way coherent manner does not make you right. So, to put it this way: Logic does not work that way. But thanks for playing, here's your vacuum cleaner.
So creationism isn't supposed to explain anything at all, as it's explanation would do away with creationism ?
THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING AT ALL !
Being silent would have more of a statement than whatever shit you came up with.
So creationism isn't supposed to explain anything at all, as it's explanation would do away with creationism ?
THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING AT ALL !
Being silent would have more of a statement than whatever shit you came up with.
EDIT : The double-post is a sign from god telling you to shut the hell up and go flip some fucking burgers.
Presupposing an explanation to be necessary presupposes the falsity of Creationism.
The only sane, consistent approach to life is to assume every positive assertion to be false until proven otherwise. To assume everything unproven to be true is impossible for a sane, functioning mind because many unproven possibilities are mutually exclusive; to assume some things to be true without proof and others to be false is inconsistent and possibly symptomatic of some level of insanity.
Ah, Ray Martinez, the infamous imbecile who postulates that the widespread acceptance of Evolution is itself a punishment from God for the widespread acceptance of evolution!
No, that wasn't a typing error. Ray posts as "ColdForeignObject" on evcforum.net. Reading through his post history is worth a good laugh.
So..you are saying that when people say "Creationism" it is to be automatically accepted once it is postulated.
PS - I studied the entire Bible cover to cover twice..its a book of fables and myths with a bit of actual history tossed in to spice it up.
"Talk Rational!"
Good idea. You first!
The Creator wants to kill this debate so mankind can get on with studying the Bible and not animals.
You want some? C'mon on then, Creator, if you're hard enough.
Confused?
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